CycloneFan97 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I'm just guessing on lineups here and think this will be one heck of a dual. Iowa 125: Harris/Ybarra 133: Schriever/Teske 141: Bennett/Woods 149: Murin 157: Siebrecht 165: Kennedy 174: Brands 184: Assad 197: Warner 285: Cassioppi Iowa State 125: Terukina 133: Attasauov/Redding 141: Swiderski 149: Johnson 157: Kraisser 165: Carr 174: Broderson 184: Coleman 197: Bastida 285: Schuyler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Hope we see Woods go in this one. 133, 141, 149, 165, 184, 197 are all very even matchups. If Woods goes, we will know where Swiderski sits. Looking forward to seeing how Kennedy matches up with Carr. ISU is favored at 125 (assuming Spencer does not go). Iowa is favored at 174, 157 & 285. Should be a great dual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MNRodent Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Really good StaleMates video about the history of the Dresser / Brands rivalry. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 125: Lee TECH Terukina 133: Teske/Schriever DEC ISU 141: Woods DEC Swiderski 149: Murin DEC Johnson 157: Siebrecht DEC Kraisser 165: Carr DEC Kennedy 174: Brands DEC Broderson 184: Coleman DEC Assad 197: Bastida DEC Warner (toss up, but Warner, after my positive posting earlier this month, has looked down, plus it's a tough stylistic matchup for him) 285: Cassioppi MDEC Schuyler Bottom line, if Iowa wrestles it's best lineup, the dual shouldn't be that close. The above results that have a decent chance of getting flipped are 141, 149 157, 184, and 197. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, VakAttack said: 125: Lee TECH Terukina 133: Teske/Schriever DEC ISU 141: Woods DEC Swiderski 149: Murin DEC Johnson 157: Siebrecht DEC Kraisser 165: Carr DEC Kennedy 174: Brands DEC Broderson 184: Coleman DEC Assad 197: Bastida DEC Warner (toss up, but Warner, after my positive posting earlier this month, has looked down, plus it's a tough stylistic matchup for him) 285: Cassioppi MDEC Schuyler Bottom line, if Iowa wrestles it's best lineup, the dual shouldn't be that close. The above results that have a decent chance of getting flipped are 141, 149 157, 184, and 197. I think you are selling Kennedy a little short. He will give Carr everything he can handle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CycloneFan97 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, VakAttack said: 125: Lee TECH Terukina 133: Teske/Schriever DEC ISU 141: Woods DEC Swiderski 149: Murin DEC Johnson 157: Siebrecht DEC Kraisser 165: Carr DEC Kennedy 174: Brands DEC Broderson 184: Coleman DEC Assad 197: Bastida DEC Warner (toss up, but Warner, after my positive posting earlier this month, has looked down, plus it's a tough stylistic matchup for him) 285: Cassioppi MDEC Schuyler Bottom line, if Iowa wrestles it's best lineup, the dual shouldn't be that close. The above results that have a decent chance of getting flipped are 141, 149 157, 184, and 197. I agree 141, 149, 157, and 197 are all tossups, but I think ISU should be favored at 184. I also think 174 should be a tossup because there's no way Brands is 100% healthy rn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WrestlingFan89 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, CycloneFan97 said: I agree 141, 149, 157, and 197 are all tossups, but I think ISU should be favored at 184. I also think 174 should be a tossup because there's no way Brands is 100% healthy rn I think 133 can be won by ISU also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Just now, CycloneFan97 said: I agree 141, 149, 157, and 197 are all tossups, but I think ISU should be favored at 184. I also think 174 should be a tossup because there's no way Brands is 100% healthy rn I don't think 184 is a toss up, I think ISU is a favorite; I just could see Assad winning it. I don't think 149 is a tossup either. Johnson's one good result isn't enough to overcome everything, including squeaking by the Grandview. 141 not a toss up either, Real Woods is a top 3 ranked wrestler. I have no idea what to make of 157. Siebrecht is a wild man. He'll be the favorite on paper, but I think that's a toss up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CycloneFan97 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 1 minute ago, VakAttack said: I don't think 184 is a toss up, I think ISU is a favorite; I just could see Assad winning it. I don't think 149 is a tossup either. Johnson's one good result isn't enough to overcome everything, including squeaking by the Grandview. 141 not a toss up either, Real Woods is a top 3 ranked wrestler. I have no idea what to make of 157. Siebrecht is a wild man. He'll be the favorite on paper, but I think that's a toss up. Kraisser is also super funky, if you haven't yet go watch the long scramble he had with the Grandview wrestler so I see that being a surprisingly important weight for both schools because 6 team points can happen at any moment. The only reason I can see 141 potentially going Iowa State's way is just because it's Woods first time down at 141 this year and Swiderski is a little Metcalf on the mat, just relentless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, CycloneFan97 said: Kraisser is also super funky, if you haven't yet go watch the long scramble he had with the Grandview wrestler so I see that being a surprisingly important weight for both schools because 6 team points can happen at any moment. The only reason I can see 141 potentially going Iowa State's way is just because it's Woods first time down at 141 this year and Swiderski is a little Metcalf on the mat, just relentless. Oh, I wouldn't be shocked if Swiderski wins. He's a big time talent. I just don't think it's a tossup as of now. A semantics debate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CycloneFan97 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 Just now, VakAttack said: Oh, I wouldn't be shocked if Swiderski wins. He's a big time talent. I just don't think it's a tossup as of now. A semantics debate. We shall find out this Sunday and I'm going to be anxious the whole dual, it'll be a fun time! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crablegs Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Lots of competitive weights which will make for an extremely exciting dual. ISU’s chances hinge greatly on Spencer Lee. If Lee wrestles, ISU’s chances are extremely slim. If he’s out this dual is a toss up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 34 minutes ago, Crablegs said: Lots of competitive weights which will make for an extremely exciting dual. ISU’s chances hinge greatly on Spencer Lee. If Lee wrestles, ISU’s chances are extremely slim. If he’s out this dual is a toss up. Yeah because it's a swing of likely bonus points from one direction to the other. Maybe Brands will request to start at 133 so he doesn't have to decide right away and so he can try to get the worse version of Redding and Siwderski off the scale. Obviously ISU would want to avoid that scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 They could both agree to start at 157 maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feet2back Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 4 hours ago, MNRodent said: Really good StaleMates video about the history of the Dresser / Brands rivalry. What a Great video..A Must Watch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Gus said: I think you are selling Kennedy a little short. He will give Carr everything he can handle. I...disagree. But would love to be wrong. If Carr can be bullied, Kennedy is one of the few guys who can do it, but Carr is just a more skilled guy IMO. I think Carr wins something controlled like 5-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JVStateChamp Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 This dual will be a great indicator to see where Swiderski stands with the rest of the field at 141. IMO (which means very little) 141 is the most open weight class this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragit Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 People are mentioning Lee here as if it's a real thing. I wouldn't have thought the Spencer Watch would start until mid January or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingcement Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 15 minutes ago, dragit said: People are mentioning Lee here as if it's a real thing. I wouldn't have thought the Spencer Watch would start until mid January or so. Devils advocate, let's say they start the dual at 133 and it goes like this: 133: Redding dec Teske 3-0 141: Woods dec Swiderski 3-3 149: Murin dec Johnson 3-6 157: Seibrecht dec Kraisser 3-9 165: Carr dec Kennedy 6-9 174: Broderson dec Brands 9-9 184: Coleman dec Assad 12-9 197: Bastida dec Warner 15-9 285: Cassioppi dec Schuyler 15-12 Going into 125 as the final match, Lee could easily bonus Terukina. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Idaho Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 To clarify, did Lee have both knees repaired? I know the first surgery was the beginning of January last year. and it went well. Did he have a second surgery on the other knee? If so, when? I would assume he is fully recovered from the first of the knee surgeries being 11 months out now. Sponsored by INTERMAT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 13 minutes ago, Idaho said: To clarify, did Lee have both knees repaired? I know the first surgery was the beginning of January last year. and it went well. Did he have a second surgery on the other knee? If so, when? I would assume he is fully recovered from the first of the knee surgeries being 11 months out now. i thought he tore one, never got surgery, it healed, blew the other, wasted a year thinking it would heal similarly, it didn't, then had surgery, upon which we are currently waiting. Do we have any reason to think he'll go this weekend? especially against an athletic kid like terakina (spelling)? I bet they get him ready as slow as possible, give him some gimme wins like PSU, and he rolls into big tens with like 5 matches... "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ionel Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Hammerlock3 said: i thought he tore one, never got surgery, it healed, blew the other, wasted a year thinking it would heal similarly, it didn't, then had surgery, upon which we are currently waiting. Do we have any reason to think he'll go this weekend? especially against an athletic kid like terakina (spelling)? I bet they get him ready as slow as possible, give him some gimme wins like PSU, and he rolls into big tens with like 5 matches... ACL tears do not heal but plenty of folks function without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerlock3 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, ionel said: ACL tears do not heal but plenty of folks function without. sorry, I think the first knee functioned well without and the other didn't for some reason...what i heard, which explains why his status was a mystery till late december last year. "Half measures are a coward's form of insanity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VakAttack Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, dragit said: People are mentioning Lee here as if it's a real thing. I wouldn't have thought the Spencer Watch would start until mid January or so. I think Lee will be used sparingly, but I believe (with no inside info) that his final Cy-Hawk Dual will be one of those moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. PeanutButter Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Man, I would love to see him vs ISU but 11 months after double knee surgery just doesn't sound like enough time to get into something resembling wrestling shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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