Dark Energy Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Clearly Penn State is #1. I’m pretty confident Iowa is #2 but someone can prove me wrong. Who would round out the top 5? I’ll call these the upper echelon of D1 wrestling now.
Jason Bryant Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 What are your stipulations?NCAA finish? All Americans? Champs? Dual wins? Dual Rank. Conference titles? Academic finish tied to placement? APR?Lots of ways to quantify an answer - just wondering where I should start with the data mining. 2 Insert catchy tagline here.
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 2:35 PM, Dark Energy said: Clearly Penn State is #1. I’m pretty confident Iowa is #2 but someone can prove me wrong. Who would round out the top 5? I’ll call these the upper echelon of D1 wrestling now. Expand Iowa is absolutely number 2 based on average NCAA finish. Can't remember the rest off the top on my head. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Paul158 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Penn State number 1 Iowa or Ohio State number 2 and 3 1
MidwestMan Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 Just off my head without going back and doing the "homework", and with just a bit of home state bias: Michigan, Cornell, Mizzou. 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 2:35 PM, Dark Energy said: Clearly Penn State is #1. I’m pretty confident Iowa is #2 but someone can prove me wrong. Who would round out the top 5? I’ll call these the upper echelon of D1 wrestling now. Expand Will you accept Top 20 instead? 9 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Dark Energy Posted October 28, 2023 Author Posted October 28, 2023 JB - open to people’s best thinking. Chart above looking like a good approach.
nhs67 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 But hold on! Clearly Smith is doing a horrible job at OSU and should be fired! 3 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, nhs67 said: But hold on! Clearly Smith is doing a horrible job at OSU and should be fired! Expand It is recency bias. He has had two rough finishes in the last 4 years. From 2019 they went 13, 3, 3, 14. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
MPhillips Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 5:15 PM, nhs67 said: But hold on! Clearly Ryan is doing a horrible job at OSU and should be fired! Expand FIFY We hear this regularly... 1 .
Paul158 Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 4:57 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Will you accept Top 20 instead? Expand Another great job. Accepted.
ionel Posted October 28, 2023 Posted October 28, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 4:57 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: Will you accept Top 20 instead? Expand So on average Penn St is not a national championship team and if we round to single digit they are a second place team. Will Penn St be looking for a new coach? .
Dark Energy Posted October 29, 2023 Author Posted October 29, 2023 Looks like Ohio State is clearly top 5 … strong case for 3. And yes OKState … I do admit to a recency bias! Data tells a story that I didn’t recall. All good. For past 10 yrs strong case for top 5 even if have slipped. Michigan on the other hand seems to have good momentum. Cornell and Mizzou … also options for top 5.
Hwt1 Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 (edited) But hold on! Clearly Dresser is doing a great job at ISU and should be coach of year! Edited October 29, 2023 by Hwt1 1
Gus Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 Honestly surprised how low ASU is on the list. I thought they would be closer to 10 than 20.
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 5:53 AM, Gus said: Honestly surprised how low ASU is on the list. I thought they would be closer to 10 than 20. Expand They are the inverse Oklahoma State. Their last four are seventh best. Their first six are not in the top twenty. 2 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
MPhillips Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/29/2023 at 12:49 AM, Dark Energy said: Looks like Ohio State is clearly top 5 … strong case for 3. Expand Clearly... 2013–14 6th 2014–15 1st 2015–16 3rd 2016–17 2nd 2017–18 2nd 2018–19 2nd 2019–20 Canceled 2020-21 9th 2021-22 13th 2022-23 4th 1 .
boconnell Posted October 29, 2023 Posted October 29, 2023 On 10/28/2023 at 6:34 PM, Wrestleknownothing said: It is recency bias. He has had two rough finishes in the last 4 years. From 2019 they went 13, 3, 3, 14. Expand It's also an issue of expectations. When most teams have an occasional 14th, nobody cares. When OSU has one (or two), it's noteworthy. The same would be true if Iowa got a 14th. 2
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 Oops. Thank you all for not pointing out that I had failed to include 2023 results in my prior table. I appreciate your forbearance. Corrected: 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Dark Energy Posted October 30, 2023 Author Posted October 30, 2023 Well, then that is 11 years. Please remove 2013.
ionel Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 1:24 AM, Dark Energy said: Well, then that is 11 years. Please remove 2013. Expand Why is it I see a potential 3 way bet between Ban, Bob and Wkn? .
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 1:24 AM, Dark Energy said: Well, then that is 11 years. Please remove 2013. Expand No 2020. On 10/30/2023 at 1:31 AM, ionel said: Why is it I see a potential 3 way bet between Ban, Bob and Wkn? Expand No three way. Why do you wish bad things for me? 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 Did a little something different with this one. Rather than look at schools I decided to look at coaches. Using the top 10 schools that have had the same head coach for at least the last five seasons (sorry Cornell) I looked at their individual and average finishes over their tenure. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 Then I looked at the best five year run for each: Most interesting to me is that Manning is on his best 5 year run now in spite of the length of his career. Let's hear it @jajensen09 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
ionel Posted October 30, 2023 Posted October 30, 2023 On 10/30/2023 at 1:33 AM, Wrestleknownothing said: No 2020. No three way. Why do you wish bad things for me? Expand Ban bad, Bob bad, betting bad. .
Ryder Smith Chattanooga Christian, Tennessee Class of 2026 Committed to Little Rock Projected Weight: 285
Connor Bercume Detroit Central Catholic, Michigan Class of 2025 Committed to Harvard Projected Weight: 285
Faith Bartoszek Wrightstown, Wisconsin Class of 2025 Committed to Lehigh (Women) Projected Weight: 138, 145
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