nhs67 Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 Greetings All, I was meandering about... being a fan and all that. I randomly decided to think about how I wanted Parker Keckeisen to go 197 last season because of how soundly Brooks had defeated him at the NWCA All-Star Classic. Some schools just churn out badass after badass after badass at certain weights... It then got me thinking about the last ten years of wrestling at schools and we currently have a PK thread on the front page here. If we were to go back the last ten years (easy to use Wrestlestat to help although once you're before 2015/2016 the ELO ratings are complete shit)... anyways... if we were to go back ten years we have UNI with five (5) different starters who were all NQ previously. How does a Round Robin go with these gents... Parker Keckeisen (2021 3rd, 2022 3rd, 2023 2nd) Taylor Lujan (2020 1st - Seeded #1 in cancelled 2020 NC) Drew Foster (2017 7th, 2018 R16, 2019 1st) Cody Caldwell (2015 DNQ, 2016 DNQ) Ryan Loder (2014 R12) To break it further down... SEASON WRESTLER WINS LOSSES PLACE ELO 2023 Parker Keckeisen 26 2 2nd 1628 2022 Parker Keckeisen 30 2 3rd 1574 2021 Parker Keckeisen 18 1 3rd 1507 2020 Taylor Lujan 28 2 1st 1562 2019 Drew Foster 28 5 1st 1528 2018 Drew Foster 26 6 NQ 1473 2017 Drew Foster 26 6 7th 1465 2016 Cody Caldwell 8 10 DNQ 1300 2015 Cody Caldwell 14 8 DNQ 1305 2014 Ryan Loder 15 4 R12 1399 I am curious how folks think a Round Robin looks here. This is what I think... Keckeisen - 4W-0L Foster - 3W-1L Lujan - 2W-2L Loder - 1W-3L Caldwell - 0W-4L Another reason I bring this up is that had PK gone 197 last year I imagine he would have gone it this year, which puts Wyatt Voelker at 184 for them... which he still can do after PK graduates (or next season?). Just dabbling and bored. Discuss. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
nhs67 Posted October 5, 2023 Author Posted October 5, 2023 I think Lujan just wouldn't have anything for Keckeisen. At all. While I do think Foster could make it interesting with PK I do think Lujan also has a very real chance to beat Foster. I barely remember Loder, but I know he would very much be in the matches (he was up there towards 120 career wins wasn't he and a three time Blood Round loser - taking 7th his soph or junior season?). I think Caldwell is out of his element entirely. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Ban Basketball Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 Tough call, but going off of watching them for all those years: Keckeisen Lujan Loder Foster Caldwell. Loder was only a one-time AA, placing 7th, but, man, that guy was so talented. I'd see him beating Foster. 1 Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site!
Ban Basketball Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 (edited) You'd get to see them all battle right now, as Lujan and Foster still wrestle with the Panther Wrestling Club, so all three do some battling. Edited October 5, 2023 by Ban Basketball Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site!
Ban Basketball Posted October 5, 2023 Posted October 5, 2023 3 hours ago, nhs67 said: I think Lujan just wouldn't have anything for Keckeisen. I actually thought long and hard about this, but chose Kecheisen. Lujan's out of this world funk just makes predicting his matches a tough task. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site!
nhs67 Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Ban Basketball said: You'd get to see them all battle right now, as Lujan and Foster still wrestle with the Panther Wrestling Club, so all three do some battling. I am hoping to see them at one tournament in some way, shape, or form before or at OTT for 86 KG. Foster has proven to be the better 86 KG guy having made it further when they have been in the same brackets. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
GoGopher Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Gable Steveson, Tony Nelson, Cole Konrad, Brock LesnarSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2
Ohio Elite Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, GoGopher said: Gable Steveson, Tony Nelson, Cole Konrad, Brock Lesnar Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That's a good one!
Alces Alces Gigas Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) Wright, Ruth, Nickal, Brooks at 184 Pritzlaff, Wright, Ruth, Brown, Nickal, Hall, Starocci at 174 Edited October 6, 2023 by Alces Alces Gigas 1
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 PSU 197 2012 Morgan McIntosh NQ 2013 Quentin Wright 1st 2014 Morgan McIntosh 7th 2015 Morgan McIntosh 3rd 2016 Morgan McIntosh 2nd 2017 Matt McCutcheon R12 2018 Shakur Rasheed 7th 2019 Bo Nickal 1st 2021 Michael Beard 7th 2022 Max Dean 1st 2023 Max Dean 7th I think I like Bo Nickal in the round robin followed by Wright, McIntosh, Dean, Rasheed, McCutcheon and Beard. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
BigRedFan Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Cornell 184: 2002: Wattenberg 5th 2003: Wattenberg 6th 2005: Baier 2nd 2006: Mazzurco 6th 2007: Arnone: 8th 2011: Bozak 4th 2012: Bozak 1st 2013: Bozak 3rd 2014: Dean 3rd 2015: Dean 1st 2016: Dean 1st 2017: Dean 2nd 2018: other Dean 8th 2019: other Dean 2nd 2020/2021: N/A 2022: Loew 8th No contest for winner or 2nd. 1
Konquest Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Bryan Snyder, Jordan Burroughs, James Green, Tyler Berger, Peyton Robb 1
Antitroll2828 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 Spencer Lee, Gilman ,Clark , Ramos , McDonough
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 27 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: Spencer Lee, Gilman ,Clark , Ramos , McDonough Wasn't Ramos a career 133? Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
nhs67 Posted October 6, 2023 Author Posted October 6, 2023 These are all good... now tell me how you think they would go in a Round Robin, gents... 10 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: PSU 197 2012 Morgan McIntosh NQ 2013 Quentin Wright 1st 2014 Morgan McIntosh 7th 2015 Morgan McIntosh 3rd 2016 Morgan McIntosh 2nd 2017 Matt McCutcheon R12 2018 Shakur Rasheed 7th 2019 Bo Nickal 1st 2021 Michael Beard 7th 2022 Max Dean 1st 2023 Max Dean 7th I think I like Bo Nickal in the round robin followed by Wright, McIntosh, Dean, Rasheed, McCutcheon and Beard. Give me best version of each wrestler and how you think a Round Robin goes (meaning MM can only be once, Dean once, etc) 9 hours ago, BigRedFan said: Cornell 184: 2002: Wattenberg 5th 2003: Wattenberg 6th 2005: Baier 2nd 2006: Mazzurco 6th 2007: Arnone: 8th 2011: Bozak 4th 2012: Bozak 1st 2013: Bozak 3rd 2014: Dean 3rd 2015: Dean 1st 2016: Dean 1st 2017: Dean 2nd 2018: other Dean 8th 2019: other Dean 2nd 2020/2021: N/A 2022: Loew 8th No contest for winner or 2nd. Same to you, please. While I was thinking 184 for UNI I remembered that at one point Cornell was considered '184U' for a bit there. 9 hours ago, Konquest said: Bryan Snyder, Jordan Burroughs, James Green, Tyler Berger, Peyton Robb Going back a bit with the Snyder one... but okay. Give me yours. And ONLY use their best college season and folkstyle results please. 157 JB =/= 165 JB =/= Freestyle 74 KG or 79 KG JB 9 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said: Spencer Lee, Gilman ,Clark , Ramos , McDonough Not bad, but Ramos was only 125 as a redshirt. That Ramos gets torn apart - HARD. Likely Clark does as well too as he was the best version of himself at 133. How do you think that Round Robin goes? I think Spencer beats McDonough beats Gilman (keep in mind 57 KG weaponized Gilman =/= 125lb collegiate Gilman) beats Clark beats Ramos. 8 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said: Wasn't Ramos a career 133? See above, mate. Technically counts... but 125 Ramos was small and meek compared to his collegiately successful 133lb Ramos. 1 "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Ban Basketball Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 13 hours ago, nhs67 said: I am hoping to see them at one tournament in some way, shape, or form before or at OTT for 86 KG. Foster has proven to be the better 86 KG guy having made it further when they have been in the same brackets. I've noticed that Foster has done better. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site!
11986 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 ancient history, Iowa 126 1983 Barry Davis 1st 1984 Mark Trizzino 4th 1985 Davis 1st 1986 Brad Penrith 1st 1987 Penrith 2nd 1988 Penrith 2nd 1989 Tom Brands 4th 1990 Terry Brands 1st 1991 Terry Brands 2nd 1992 Terry Brands 1st
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 33 minutes ago, 11986 said: ancient history, Iowa 126 1983 Barry Davis 1st 1984 Mark Trizzino 4th 1985 Davis 1st 1986 Brad Penrith 1st 1987 Penrith 2nd 1988 Penrith 2nd 1989 Tom Brands 4th 1990 Terry Brands 1st 1991 Terry Brands 2nd 1992 Terry Brands 1st I was hoping someone would go in the way back machine. Tbere has to be an Oklahoma State run from back in the day, too. Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
11986 Posted October 6, 2023 Posted October 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Wrestleknownothing said: I was hoping someone would go in the way back machine. Tbere has to be an Oklahoma State run from back in the day, too. guessing Ok St may have had a better run, but lazily just looked at same years I laid out for Iowa/126, this time Ok St 134: 1983: Clar Anderson 1st 1984: Anderson 5th 1985: John Smith 2nd 1986: Leo Bailey 4th 1987: Smith 1st 1988: Smith 1st 1989: Chuck Barbee 5th 1990: Chris Owens 4th 1991: Alan Fried 2nd 1992: Fried 2nd of course Smith is the guy here but a decade of hammers 2
Ban Basketball Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 Giving accolades to nhs67 for this idea. It's great reading so far. Owner of over two decades of the most dangerous words on the internet! In fact, during the short life of this forum, me's culture has been cancelled three times on this very site!
MPhillips Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/6/2023 at 11:50 AM, 11986 said: guessing Ok St may have had a better run, but lazily just looked at same years I laid out for Iowa/126, this time Ok St 134: 1983: Clar Anderson 1st 1984: Anderson 5th 1985: John Smith 2nd 1986: Leo Bailey 4th 1987: Smith 1st 1988: Smith 1st 1989: Chuck Barbee 5th 1990: Chris Owens 4th 1991: Alan Fried 2nd 1992: Fried 2nd of course Smith is the guy here but a decade of hammers Smith then Fried. Smith vs Fried. Fried was an 18 yr old Senior wrestling at STED Ohio. Bob Dieli is the announcer and he is in the Ohio and National Wrestling Hall of Fame. He spent over 25 years broadcasting wrestling on local cable TV, known as "Matside with Bob Dieli." His mantra was when life doesn't make sense, Wrestle. Fried loses to Smith 13-4 I believe. Dieli is legendary in CBUS. His announcing is worth the listen. 2 .
Ohio Elite Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 4 hours ago, MPhillips said: Smith then Fried. Smith vs Fried. Fried was an 18 yr old Senior wrestling at STED Ohio. Bob Dieli is the announcer and he is in the Ohio and National Wrestling Hall of Fame. He spent over 25 years broadcasting wrestling on local cable TV, known as "Matside with Bob Dieli." His mantra was when life doesn't make sense, Wrestle. Fried loses to Smith 13-4 I believe. Dieli is legendary in CBUS. His announcing is worth the listen. Did Bob Dieli pass away?
Wrestleknownothing Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Ohio Elite said: Did Bob Dieli pass away? He was 94. https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dispatch/name/robert-dieli-obituary?id=1778893 1 Drowning in data, but thirsting for knowledge
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