Senior MFS Seeds announced

[bnwtwg]

https://www.themat.com/news/2023/august/31/snyder-receives-no-1-seed-for-senior-worlds-as-six-u-s-men-s-freestylers-get-seeded

US and expat Seeds:

57 USA: none, Cruz (PR) 4, Micic (Serbia) 6

61 [none]

65 USA: none, Rivera (PR) 2

70 Retherford 2

74 Dake 2, Finesilver (Israel) 6

79 Marstellar 4

86 Taylor 7, Amine (San Marino) 4

92 Valencia 7, Finesilver 6

97 Snyder 1, Honis (Italy) 5

125 [none]

 

[bnwtwg]

Key takeaways:

Rivera is going to have a bad time if he makes it to the semis because Tumur Ocho is him

Bajrang could play bracket buster as the 8 seed if he is healed up. He gets Iran then Musukaev and we know who's going to win the second period of that match

Taylor and Yazdani are on opposite sides of the bracket thank god

Top of 125 has Taha and Zare, bottom has Geno. I want to see Gable drawn into the top half wreaking havoc smashing all three of them. Time to put this Zare conversation to bed for good.

It feels like wherever Russia gets randomly drawn in will instantly become the tougher side of that bracket at every weight but 125.

[de4856]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

I want to see Gable drawn into the top half wreaking havoc smashing all three of them. Time to put this Zare conversation to bed for good.

That would be awesome 

[mspart]

How is Taylor seeded 7 and Amine seeded 4?   Being WC last year doesn't mean too much I guess.   But in this case, Taylor is still the bad draw.  

mspart

[bnwtwg]

4 minutes ago, mspart said:

How is Taylor seeded 7 and Amine seeded 4?   Being WC last year doesn't mean too much I guess.   But in this case, Taylor is still the bad draw.  

mspart

Correct, it doesn't mean too much but is enough to get you a 7 seed. That's why they have rankings tournaments throughout the year. If you don't go to the rankings tournaments then you drop in seeding.

[Takuto_Otoguro]

I think Musukaev likely techs Bajrang before he can get anything going but that is an interesting match, would have loved to see it a few years ago. I think this is the year Bajrang fails to medal. He won't beat the Iranian regardless. 

[Takuto_Otoguro]

Otoguro will also be randomly drawn into the bracket

[Le duke]

How is Taylor seeded 7 and Amine seeded 4?   Being WC last year doesn't mean too much I guess.   But in this case, Taylor is still the bad draw.  
mspart

Being WC at the weight gets him SOME points, but apparently counts less than winning the Grand Prix of BFE and Eastern Southwestern Turkmenistan Open.

I get that UWW wants to incentivize wrestling at their events but this way results in non-medalist wrestlers getting seeded into positions that make it easier to medal.


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[bnwtwg]

All rankings tournaments are published months in advance. All competitors are aware of the seeding implications. It is their decision to either chase points or not.

[mspart]

3 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

All rankings tournaments are published months in advance. All competitors are aware of the seeding implications. It is their decision to either chase points or not.

Yes, this is correct and I understand it.   My understanding is that taking 1st gives you so many points towards seeding for the next WC.   The seeding tourneys don't provide near that much.   Just seems odd to drop that much.   I see this on UWW website regarding seeding system:

 

Still just seems weird but I guess I can see how it works.   Taylor did not go to the 2022 Pan Ams.   He didn't go to seeding tourneys.   So I guess that is what happens. 

mspart

 

 

[bnwtwg]

3 hours ago, mspart said:

Yes, this is correct and I understand it.   My understanding is that taking 1st gives you so many points towards seeding for the next WC.   The seeding tourneys don't provide near that much.   Just seems odd to drop that much.   I see this on UWW website regarding seeding system:

 

Still just seems weird but I guess I can see how it works.   Taylor did not go to the 2022 Pan Ams.   He didn't go to seeding tourneys.   So I guess that is what happens. 

mspart

 

 

Why does it seem odd? Why should a person be rewarded for not competing for a calendar year? Would you give someone with a 0-0 record the #1 seed at NCAAs? How is this any different?

[bnwtwg]

To add, David Taylor exhibits the mindset of a champion: "I don't care where I am in the bracket because I'm going to win the whole f'ing thing."

[nhs67]

On 8/31/2023 at 4:35 PM, de4856 said:

That would be awesome 

Per current entry list, Lucas Davison is our rep right now.

[nhs67]

125kg
Dzianis KHRAMIANKOU (AIN)
Paris KAREPI (ALB)
Catriel MURIEL (ARG)
Johannes LUDESCHER (AUT)
Giorgi MESHVILDISHVILI (AZE)
Islam ADIZOV (BUL)
Bali SOU (CAM)
Zhiwei DENG (CHN)
Diaaeldin ABDELMOTTALEB (EGY)
Jose CUBA (ESP)
Geno PETRIASHVILI (GEO)
Gennadij CUDINOVIC (GER)
Daniel LIGETI (HUN)
SUMIT (IND)
Amir Hossein ZARE (IRI)
Abraham CONYEDO (ITA)
Aaron JOHNSON (JAM)
Taiki YAMAMOTO (JPN)
Yusup BATIRMURZAEV (KAZ)
Joel TUKAI (KEN)
Aiaal LAZAREV (KGZ)
Donghwan KIM (KOR)
Eduardo GARCIA (MEX)
Lkhagvagerel MUNKHTUR (MGL)
Robert BARAN (POL)
Jonovan SMITH (PUR)
Magomedgadzhi NURASULOV (SRB)
Oma SAREM (SYR)
Zyyamuhammet SAPAROV (TKM)
Taha AKGUL (TUR)
Oleksandr KHOTSIANIVSKYI (UKR)
Lucas DAVISON (USA)
Sardorbek KHOLMATOV (UZB)
Jose DIAZ (VEN)

[nhs67]

On 8/31/2023 at 2:39 PM, bnwtwg said:

https://www.themat.com/news/2023/august/31/snyder-receives-no-1-seed-for-senior-worlds-as-six-u-s-men-s-freestylers-get-seeded

US and expat Seeds:

57 USA: none, Cruz (PR) 4, Micic (Serbia) 6

61 [none]

65 USA: none, Rivera (PR) 2

70 Retherford 2

74 Dake 2, Finesilver (Israel) 6

79 Marstellar 4

86 Taylor 7, Amine (San Marino) 4

92 Valencia 7, Finesilver 6

97 Snyder 1, Honis (Italy) 5

125 [none]

 

Micic is going 61 KG, so he won't be seeded.

Finesilver has dropped to 86 KG so that moves Valencia up to #6 (which is opposite the Irani) and forfeits any placement points he does have meaning he will be drawn in.

 

[gimpeltf]

On 9/1/2023 at 5:05 PM, bnwtwg said:

To add, David Taylor exhibits the mindset of a champion: "I don't care where I am in the bracket because I'm going to win the whole f'ing thing."

I often have to remind people that it's generally not the top guys that get "screwed" by bad seeding. Normally, it's the other guys who have to face that guy early on.

[nhs67]

1 minute ago, gimpeltf said:

I often have to remind people that it's generally not the top guys that get "screwed" by bad seeding. Normally, it's the other guys who have to face that guy early on.

Right.  At the end of the day whoever has to face the guys who lose to to the eventual champion the very next round have the bad draws and the bad draw is the eventual WC, regardless of seeding.

[bnwtwg]

Someone is going to be a medal favorite but they are going to get drawn into a combo of Russian + another medal favorite the following round. IMO senior worlds is a much tougher road to medal than an Olympic medal when it comes to day-of competition in my mind. The sheer number of matches in each bracket + random draws, like Taylor/Yazdani round 1 in 2018, is absolutely nuts.