Republican or not?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

14 hours ago, jross said:

Didn't mean to kill the thread.

Feel free to go on...

Edited September 6, 2023 by GreatWhiteNorth

[Ban Basketball]

16 hours ago, mspart said:

What books about the Holocaust and what was watered down in the AP African American studies classes?   Just saying these things does not make them true?

The list is interesting with the #1 book being blatantly sexual if the watered down description is accurate.   I would like to see a substantiation for why the books you claim are ok on the list are not allowed in school libraries since you seem to know all about them.   Again, not saying you are wrong, but would like to see some evidence about your assertions.  

mspart

With all due respect,  I'm not going to continue to do your work for you when I have provided all of the FACTUAL information that I have provided you and my students. 

You can Google about Florida's Holocaust books and AP courses.  As for the books provided in that link,  you can search them.  Only a few have sexual content.

You're either comfortable with authoritarians canceling culture or you're not.  It appears that you're ok with it.

[Offthemat]

Anybody who uses google is a sheep. 

[Ban Basketball]

4 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Anybody who uses google is a sheep. 

Then use Bing.

[Ban Basketball]

16 hours ago, mspart said:

What books about the Holocaust and what was watered down in the AP African American studies classes?   Just saying these things does not make them true?

The list is interesting with the #1 book being blatantly sexual if the watered down description is accurate.   I would like to see a substantiation for why the books you claim are ok on the list are not allowed in school libraries since you seem to know all about them.   Again, not saying you are wrong, but would like to see some evidence about your assertions.  

mspart

Here in Ioway, here's a snapshot of dangerous words that were put on the list from this spring's legislative session. 

Catch-22; 1984; I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings; The Color Purple: Brave New World.

Gotta love that freedom loving 30%, eh, friends!?

[Plasmodium]

7 minutes ago, Ban Basketball said:

Here in Ioway, here's a snapshot of dangerous words that were put on the list from this spring's legislative session. 

Catch-22; 1984; I Know Why The Caged Bird Sings; The Color Purple: Brave New World.

Gotta love that freedom loving 30%, eh, friends!?

I do love the "Ban the books and call it freedom" trope.

[Offthemat]

Florida and the other school districts that are editing the history books and lessons their students are taught are geared toward eliminating the fiction and marxist propaganda.  They still teach history but leave the agenda of division and guilt out.  It was in fact, a black scholar who contributed the fact that skills learned as slaves aided in their ability obtain a livelihood once freed.  It was a black journalist who spent considerable time reporting on Africa, from Africa, and wrote the book Out of America, in which he gives thanks that his ancestors were taken as slaves and refused the offers to be returned to Africa when freed.  He explained that he didn’t desire any connection to Africa; he just wanted to be known as an American.  If they want to teach about slavery, there’s a lot about it in the Bible, as well as most of the world’s history, from the beginning of time to the present day.  

[Offthemat]

33 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

I do love the "Ban the books and call it freedom" trope.

This is an irresponsible, vacuous statement.  Books aren’t banned, they’re considered irrelevant, fictional, and unproductive, and left out of the school curriculum.  They are still available from public libraries and sales.  Teaching children to hate their country is unproductive, unless you are trying to destroy the country and the children. 

[Plasmodium]

4 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

This is an irresponsible, vacuous statement.  Books aren’t banned, they’re considered irrelevant, fictional, and unproductive, and left out of the school curriculum.  They are still available from public libraries and sales.  Teaching children to hate their country is unproductive, unless you are trying to destroy the country and the children. 

Books are banned from public libraries, which are government run and subject to politics. Governments do ban books and declare it to be freedom.   Children should be taught truth about country, which is far different from hate even when the truth is a bitter pill to swallow.

[Offthemat]

22 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Books are banned from public libraries, which are government run and subject to politics. Governments do ban books and declare it to be freedom.   Children should be taught truth about country, which is far different from hate even when the truth is a bitter pill to swallow.

Not every book is fit to read.  Filth, pornography, etc. can be, and should be, avoided by entities that spend public money.  If you want those, you can pay for them yourself, but they are available.  There have been many conservative leaning books that had high interest from the public that publishers refused to publish, that stores and mail order outlets refused to carry.  Books that are loaded with footnotes, easily researched.  No filth, no propaganda, just truth, and they try to deny access to them.  
 

In any case, the government does not ban or burn books, they just leave some of them for you to obtain on your own. 

Edited September 6, 2023 by Offthemat

[Plasmodium]

8 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Not every book is fit to read.  Filth, pornography, etc. can be, and should be, avoided by entities that spend public money.  If you want those, you can pay for them yourself, but they are available.  There have been many conservative leaning books that had high interest from the public that publishers refused to publish, that stores and mail order outlets refused to carry.  Books that are loaded with footnotes, easily researched.  No filth, no propaganda, just truth, and they try to deny access to them.  
 

In any case, the government does not ban or burn books, they just leave some of them for you to obtain on your own. 

Let's call it freedom!!

[Offthemat]

1 minute ago, Plasmodium said:

Let's call it freedom!!

Call it what you wish, but to say that conservatives are trying to deny history being taught is incorrect. 

[Plasmodium]

1 minute ago, Offthemat said:

Call it what you wish, but to say that conservatives are trying to deny history being taught is incorrect. 

History is taught,  just not actual history.

[mspart]

How so Plasi?

mspart

[Offthemat]

6 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

History is taught,  just not actual history.

History is important, but it’s a broad subject, and they’re not teaching math or writing skills very well, either.  

Edited September 6, 2023 by Offthemat

[Plasmodium]

Some slaves benefitted from slavery comes to mind.  Along with a denial that racism played an essential role in the building of our country.

[Lipdrag]

7 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

 that racism played an essential role in the building of our country.

Was racist slavery or slavish racism the essentialler role? 

Don't forget the anti-semitic homophobic islamophobic misogynistic agoraphobic flat-earthing global-warming-denying misgendering which can be found in documents back to 1618.  All essential building blocks without which no USA exists.  Only once those essentially essentials are properly and with full fidelity incorporated into the identity of the youth of today can they possibly understand their responsibility to reject anything like the concepts of inherent rights endowed upon our creation (merging of two gametes into a distinct zygote), individual freedom, limited government, civic responsibility, etc.  

Isn't it strange that countries with much more slavery (longer duration, more slaves as a percentage of the population, no civil war to end it, etc.) than the USA did not become the USA?  Wouldn't those countries have become even more USAish than the USA if slavery were the essentialist essential of all essential to our country become our country?

[Ban Basketball]

When I say that 26% of Americans today are sympathetic to authoritarianism, we's ain't kidding,  eh,  folks?

WOWZA!

 

[Husker_Du]

1 hour ago, Plasmodium said:

Some slaves benefitted from slavery comes to mind. 

1 sentence in a 94 page document. 

but at the same time roundly refute that inappropriate gender stuff goes on in the classroom.

 

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, Plasmodium said:

Some slaves benefitted from slavery comes to mind.  Along with a denial that racism played an essential role in the building of our country.

Inaccurate, but consistent.  It was not said that slaves benefited from slavery, it was said that some freed slaves benefited from skills they learned as slaves.  
 

 

[Plasmodium]

14 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Inaccurate, but consistent.  It was not said that slaves benefited from slavery, it was said that some freed slaves benefited from skills they learned as slaves.  
 

 

Not what it says.

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20653/urlt/6-4.pdf

[Plasmodium]

1 hour ago, Ban Basketball said:

When I say that 26% of Americans today are sympathetic to authoritarianism, we's ain't kidding,  eh,  folks?

WOWZA!

 

You ain't just whistlin' dixie!

[Plasmodium]

1 hour ago, Lipdrag said:

Was racist slavery or slavish racism the essentialler role? 

Don't forget the anti-semitic homophobic islamophobic misogynistic agoraphobic flat-earthing global-warming-denying misgendering which can be found in documents back to 1618.  All essential building blocks without which no USA exists.  Only once those essentially essentials are properly and with full fidelity incorporated into the identity of the youth of today can they possibly understand their responsibility to reject anything like the concepts of inherent rights endowed upon our creation (merging of two gametes into a distinct zygote), individual freedom, limited government, civic responsibility, etc.  

Isn't it strange that countries with much more slavery (longer duration, more slaves as a percentage of the population, no civil war to end it, etc.) than the USA did not become the USA?  Wouldn't those countries have become even more USAish than the USA if slavery were the essentialist essential of all essential to our country become our country?

Are we so poorly educated the treatment of Native Americans isn't even considered history?

[mspart]

31 minutes ago, Plasmodium said:

Not what it says.

https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse.php/20653/urlt/6-4.pdf

This is what it says:

Do you agree with this statement, or disagree?  If agree, give reasoning.   If disagree, give reasoning.  

mspart

[Plasmodium]

2 minutes ago, mspart said:

This is what it says:

Do you agree with this statement, or disagree?  If agree, give reasoning.   If disagree, give reasoning.  

mspart

You expect an explanation of the difference between a person being livestock and being livestock with extra cornbread?