Which two teams, combined, beat PSU in a dual?

[Gus]

  On 8/22/2023 at 4:51 PM, ionel said:

But its close and are you sure The Professor can't figure out a way, what if Messenbrink beats O'Toole?  Also now that you've used up Cornell, Mizzou & Iowa  is there another 3 team combo that can do it?

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VT / ISU / Nebraska

125: Ventresca dec Howard 3-0

133: Latona dec Nagao 6-0

141: Hardy dec Bartlett 9-0

149: Lovett dec SVN 12-0

157: Haines dec Robb 12-3

165: Carr dec Messenbrink 15-3

174: Starr dec Gaitan 15-6

Bump

184: Mekhi dec Truax 18-6

197: Brooks mdec Allred 18-9

HWT: Kerk dec Bastida 18-12

[treep2000]

Regarding Shapiro and Mesenbrink.  Yes.  They just won worlds U20s.  Yes.  This bodes well for forecasting their NCAA success.  We should just temper expectations a bit though.  There are are some very good wrestlers still in their way.  

[TylerDurden]

PSU is likely very competitive in a match against a lineup of the rest of DI. 

It's an impressive collection of talent. 

[PortaJohn]

  On 8/22/2023 at 7:19 PM, treep2000 said:

Regarding Shapiro and Mesenbrink.  Yes.  They just won worlds U20s.  Yes.  This bodes well for forecasting their NCAA success.  We should just temper expectations a bit though.  There are are some very good wrestlers still in their way.  

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But it's August so....

[steamboat_charlie]

  On 8/22/2023 at 7:19 PM, treep2000 said:

Regarding Shapiro and Mesenbrink.  Yes.  They just won worlds U20s.  Yes.  This bodes well for forecasting their NCAA success.  We should just temper expectations a bit though.  There are are some very good wrestlers still in their way.  

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I'm with you there, no need to go overboard.  That said, U20 champs are basically a guarantee to AA, and most win titles at some point in their careers.

Looking at the past 10 years of junior world champs in their first year of competition, we have:

2013
Snyder - 2nd place in first try in 2015 (no redshirt)

2015
Lee - 1st place in first try in 2018 (no redshirt)

2016
Lee - See above
Hall - 1st place in first try in 2017 (no redshirt)

2017
Hall - See above
Fix - 2nd place in first try in 2019
Steveson - 3rd place in first try in 2019 (no redshirt)

2018
Lewis - 1st place in first try in 2019

2019
Carr - 1st place in first try in 2021
Parris - 2nd place in first try (after world's) in 2021

2021
O'Toole - 1st place in first try (after World's) in 2022
Elam - 4th place in first try (after World's) in 2022
Amos - NQ in first try

2022
Volk - NQ in first try
Kueter - TBD

2023
Shapiro - TBD
Mesenbrink - TBD

Edited August 22, 2023 by steamboat_charlie

[nhs67]

  On 8/22/2023 at 4:52 PM, Lipdrag said:

Congrats to NHS for his make-believe coach of the year win on this make-believe topic.  And even more so for channeling his inner IlliniWrestlingBlog in the wit and wisdom of his post.

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Silent heroes.

[1032004]

  On 8/22/2023 at 2:19 PM, Gus said:

3 Team Combo: Cornell/ Mizzou / Iowa

125 Ayala dec Howard 3-0

133 Vito dec Nagao 6-0

141 Woods dec Bartlett 9-0 

149 Shapiro dec Van Ness 12-0

157 Haines dec Franek 12-3

165 O'Toole dec Mesenbrink 15-3

174 Starocci dec Foca 15-6

184 Keckeisen dec Truax 18-6

197 Brooks dec Elam 18-9

285 Kerk dec Elam 18-12

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Did Keckeisen transfer to Iowa?

Edited August 22, 2023 by 1032004

[1032004]

One thing this thread taught me is Cornell seems like the clear #2.  They’ve got a good shot at taking 4 matches and a slim shot at 5.

[Gus]

  On 8/22/2023 at 8:44 PM, 1032004 said:

Did Keckeisen transfer to Iowa?

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Whoops!

[Idaho]

  On 8/22/2023 at 8:44 PM, 1032004 said:

Did Keckeisen transfer to Iowa?

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[Eagle26]

I think Cornell and Nebraska have the best chance at beating PSU. There are of course some toss ups that Penn State could win and could easily give them the dual. However, I don’t think there’s any two team combo that has a better chance

125 - Ungar dec. Howard 3-0

133 - Vito dec. Nagao 6-0

141 - Hardy dec. Bartlett 9-0

149 - Lovett Dec. Van Ness 12-0

157 - Robb Dec. Haines 15-0

165 - Ramirez Dec. Messenbrink 18-0

174 - Starocci Dec. Foca 18-3

184 - Truax Dec. Pinto 18-6

197 - Brooks Maj. Allred 18-10

285 - Kerkvliet maj. Fernandes 18-14

 

[Ohio Elite]

We're gonna need multiple teams from multiple years. 

[ionel]

Everyone seems to have this Messenbrink kid losing, I here tell he looks pretty good.  

[Mizzou Fan]

  On 8/22/2023 at 8:50 PM, 1032004 said:

One thing this thread taught me is Cornell seems like the clear #2.  They’ve got a good shot at taking 4 matches and a slim shot at 5.

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[1032004]

  On 8/22/2023 at 11:55 PM, Mizzou Fan said:

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Give me Shapiro over Mauller, and maybe Ungar over Surtin, and yes I know he got pinned last year. And I don’t even like Cornell

Edited August 23, 2023 by 1032004

[Eagle26]

  On 8/22/2023 at 11:50 PM, ionel said:

Everyone seems to have this Messenbrink kid losing, I here tell he looks pretty good.  

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To be fair, it’s pretty much the only way to have a hypothetical PSU loss. You need to find six weights PSU could lose… it’s not 174, 197, or 285. One of them almost has to be 165. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him beat Ramirez, but it was the most logical way to have Cornell/Nebraska win the dual. 

[ionel]

  On 8/23/2023 at 12:29 AM, Eagle26 said:

To be fair, it’s pretty much the only way to have a hypothetical PSU loss. You need to find six weights PSU could lose… it’s not 174, 197, or 285. One of them almost has to be 165. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him beat Ramirez, but it was the most logical way to have Cornell/Nebraska win the dual. 

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And maybe they just can't do it.  I think you need 3 teams. 

[1032004]

  On 8/22/2023 at 4:51 AM, flyingcement said:

Cornell and Ohio State 

125: Ungar dec Howard 3-0

133: Vito major Nagao 7-0

141: Mendez dec Bartlett 10-0

149: Meyer Shapiro dec Shayne Van Ness 13-0

157: Sammy Sasso dec Levi Haines 16-0

165: Mitchell Mesenbrink dec Julian Ramirez 16-3

174: Carter Starocci dec Chris Foca 16-6

184: Bernie Truax dec Jon Loew 16-9

197: Aaron Brooks dec Jacob Cardenas 16-12

285: Nick Feldman dec Greg Kerkvliet 19-12

 

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This could happen, but I kinda doubt Sasso wrestles this season

[Eagle26]

  On 8/23/2023 at 12:37 AM, ionel said:

And maybe they just can't do it.  I think you need 3 teams. 

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You may not be able to do it with 77 teams lol. But Cornell and Nebraska would at least have an outside shot. 

[flyingcement]

  On 8/23/2023 at 12:37 AM, ionel said:

And maybe they just can't do it.  I think you need 3 teams. 

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3 teams or a bit of luck with an upset or two

[ionel]

  On 8/23/2023 at 12:57 AM, flyingcement said:

3 teams or a bit of luck with an upset or two

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I think Carl should schedule at least two teams for every dual meet this year otherwise what's the point? 

[flyingcement]

  On 8/23/2023 at 1:07 AM, ionel said:

I think Carl should schedule at least two teams for every dual meet this year otherwise what's the point? 

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Certainly could reconfigure the tri-dual format this year.

If Penn State were to have Lock Haven and Lehigh competing against them in a tri-dual.  May as well have Lehigh vs Lock Haven go first.  And then whoever won each match advances to face Penn State on behalf of both other teams for the second dual.  

[ionel]

  On 8/23/2023 at 1:15 AM, flyingcement said:

Certainly could reconfigure the tri-dual format this year.

If Penn State were to have Lock Haven and Lehigh competing against them in a tri-dual.  May as well have Lehigh vs Lock Haven go first.  And then whoever won each match advances to face Penn State on behalf of both other teams for the second dual.  

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[1032004]

  On 8/23/2023 at 12:37 AM, ionel said:

And maybe they just can't do it.  I think you need 3 teams. 

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Can the 2 teams send out 2 guys per weight?

[Lipdrag]

  On 8/23/2023 at 1:20 AM, 1032004 said:

Can the 2 teams send out 2 guys per weight?

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Sorry NHS, we now have our new Hypothetical Coach of the Year!