The Country Has Spoken

[Doublehalf]

Some very historic wins tonight for the progressive party. Hard to understate the significance of wins in places like Texas, South Carolina, Kansas and Georgia... 

Hopefully we can start to get away from both morally and ethically corrupt politicians on both sides of the aisle and see some more cooperation in our government while also holding those to account that need to be. 
 

Its important the left focuses on economic issues first while introducing more decency into our politics. 
 

I think all people are tired of the fighting and nastiness that has been going on for far too long. We need adults in the room again that put country above party.

Edited November 4 by Doublehalf

[red viking]

Let the hammer fall. 

Lots of work to do!

Lets get at it. 

[WrestlingRasta]

I just hope this congress decides enough with all this nonsense and focuses on fixing things, instead of "alright let's go get em!"  

 

(**Puts RV on ignore cuz he already knows what he's going to say and not interested in the jibberish)

[red viking]

First priority is to set up mini transgender surgical centers in every elementary school. 

[vsnej]

[Doublehalf]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I just hope this congress decides enough with all this nonsense and focuses on fixing things, instead of "alright let's go get em!"  

 

(**Puts RV on ignore cuz he already knows what he's going to say and not interested in the jibberish)

I agree, although I will add that it is important to hold those accountable table that engaged in corrupt and illegal actions. I think jumping straight to a Trump impeachment would be a big mistake... It does sound like there is support on both sides of the aisle to remove Hegseth though so we'll see. 
 

It will be difficult to pass legislation if Trump does decide to just veto everything but I do think there were some measures he was in support of that democrats should get behind like calling interest rates on credit cards. 
 

Hopefully we see some bipartisanship especially now that yhe right doesn't have to worry about Trump wrath.

[vsnej]

President Donald Trump spent two months urging Americans to pretend he was on the ballot. On Tuesday, they did just that.

[Scouts Honor]

at least we will finally be able to see the esptein files

 

right?

 

[Doublehalf]

3 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

at least we will finally be able to see the esptein files

 

right?

 

That's the plan!

[Scouts Honor]

lol

[WrestlingRasta]

1 hour ago, Doublehalf said:

I agree, although I will add that it is important to hold those accountable table that engaged in corrupt and illegal actions. I think jumping straight to a Trump impeachment would be a big mistake... It does sound like there is support on both sides of the aisle to remove Hegseth though so we'll see. 
 

It will be difficult to pass legislation if Trump does decide to just veto everything but I do think there were some measures he was in support of that democrats should get behind like calling interest rates on credit cards. 
 

Hopefully we see some bipartisanship especially now that yhe right doesn't have to worry about Trump wrath.

Certainly I do not want to let go of accountability, I just meant hopefully the number one priority and focus of this Congress is not to go after them.  Get the wheels in motion to get the country back on the right track first, then bring the accountability.  
 

The interesting thing about the results yesterday is particularly the senate.  I think everyone thought democrats taking over the senate was a real possibility, I didn’t see anyone projecting a (effectively) 12 member lead.   Impeachments will come, not just for Trump but others in cabinet positions, and with the combination of the Sentate only needing four Republican votes to convict, and Trumps political clout basically in the toilet the next two years, those impreachments could very possibly go through.  

[KSoze]

People are fooling themselves if they're expecting Democrats to hold anyone accountable.

We've seen this show before.

There is one undeniable thing that has come of the results: The stock market loved the result. 

 

[whaletail]

1 hour ago, Doublehalf said:

I agree, although I will add that it is important to hold those accountable table that engaged in corrupt and illegal actions. I think jumping straight to a Trump impeachment would be a big mistake... It does sound like there is support on both sides of the aisle to remove Hegseth though so we'll see. 
 

It will be difficult to pass legislation if Trump does decide to just veto everything but I do think there were some measures he was in support of that democrats should get behind like calling interest rates on credit cards. 
 

Hopefully we see some bipartisanship especially now that yhe right doesn't have to worry about Trump wrath.

Would love to see an evolution of the mainstream Republican identity away from MAGA, immigration and Israel, and at least in the direction of the fiscal conservatism of William F. Buckley Jr. et al.  Still wouldn't vote that way, but there'd be much less rancor.

Thrilled to see Abdul El-Sayed win in Michigan. Captain of his wrestling, football and lacrosse teams in HS, an MD/PHd Rhodes scholar, who accepted no corporate money and went on to defeat a corporate funded centrist in the primaries and a MAGA Republican yesterday, I hope his win shows Democratic leadership that corporate money isn't the only path to victory.

 

 

[fishbane]

25 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Impeachments will come, not just for Trump but others in cabinet positions, and with the combination of the Sentate only needing four Republican votes to convict, and Trumps political clout basically in the toilet the next two years, those impreachments could very possibly go through.  

How do you figure?  This would usually require 67 votes, no?  Below is the relevant section of the constitution.

“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.”

I believe Republicans will hold more than 33 seats in the Senate.  CNN currently predicts that Republicans will hold 44 seats with two senate races undecided.  Even if the Democrats win those seats and all of them are present and vote to convict in an impeachment proceeding along with the two independents and four Republicans that is only 60 votes.  (54 D + 2 I + 4 R = 60). That would only represent the required 2/3 if 11 other Republicans senators didn’t show up for the vote which is implausible.  60 is greater than 2/3 of 89.  

It would be more realistic to simply get 11 republican senators to vote for removal than to get 4 to vote for removal and 11 others to not show up.  Neither scenario is likely to happen.

[WrestlingRasta]

10 minutes ago, fishbane said:

How do you figure?  This would usually require 67 votes, no?  Below is the relevant section of the constitution.

“The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present.”

I believe Republicans will hold more than 33 seats in the Senate.  CNN currently predicts that Republicans will hold 44 seats with two senate races undecided.  Even if the Democrats win those seats and all of them are present and vote to convict in an impeachment proceeding along with the two independents and four Republicans that is only 60 votes.  (54 D + 2 I + 4 R = 60). That would only represent the required 2/3 if 11 other Republicans senators didn’t show up for the vote which is implausible.  60 is greater than 2/3 of 89.  

It would be more realistic to simply get 11 republican senators to vote for removal than to get 4 to vote for removal and 11 others to not show up.  Neither scenario is likely to happen.

My bad.   Had it in my head 60 was the number

[Scouts Honor]

one could hope for sanity

but in reality

 

[Offthemat]

14 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

one could hope for sanity

but in reality

 

THAT DIDN'T TAKE LONG

Democrats ran on lowering costs. Groceries, rent, heating, health care. That was the pitch. "We're going to make life affordable again."

The votes were barely counted, and what are they talking about this morning?

Investigations. Hearings. Subpoenas. Trump probes lined up and ready to go, according to reports out this morning.
 
Impeachment won't be far behind.

Not one word about your heating bill. Not one word about your grocery bill.

That tells you what this was really about.

To all of you who believed they cared about you, you got fooled. You probably won't admit it. But in two years, when your bills are just as high and Washington spent the whole time fighting Trump instead of fixing anything, remember this morning.

And today your side won.

Congratulations. You get to rub it in the faces of your neighbors. That is all you care about. 

Enjoy it while it lasts. The bills are still coming.

Working Man's Truth - No Spin. Just Truth.

[red viking]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Working Man's Truth - No Spin. Just Truth.

Lmfao. Yah , like thats your pedo prez. Just Truth. 

The winger scum have nobody to blame but themselves for supporting that p.o.s. toeing the pedo line every corrupt step of the way. 

Yes, hes the most corrupt prez in history so, yes, justice needs to to be delivered with an iron hammer. 

He already said hes gonna be "mr. Veto" so what else can the dems do besides getting that evil pedo scumbag out of there ? 

Punish his supporters too. He brought us backwards two decades. Now we gotta claw our way out. 

Edited November 4 by red viking

[fishbane]

7 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

one could hope for sanity

but in reality

 

The public wants investigations, hearings and subpoenas.  Corruption was the top election issue either just ahead of or just behind cost of living depending on the poll.  If you want to talk about not keeping promises look at the guy that said he would "drain the swamp" and is now at the epicenter of the corruption having enriched himself billions of dollars since taking office.

"Voters are more concerned about government corruption than any other issue, including high grocery and gas prices, according to the latest CNBC All-America Economic Survey."

[Offthemat]

While the guy who’s got to be kicking himself the hardest is Tampon Tim, realizing he could have been re-elected.  He dropped out back in the days when corruption and fraud was looked down on.  

[JimmySpeaks]

Looks like hegseth will probably be replaced.  Not sure why he. waited.  Good news is we shouldn’t have to waste time and money on hearings 

[jross]

If corruption is a main concern, one sure as shit is not voting dems or reps into office.

[WrestlingRasta]

5 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Looks like hegseth will probably be replaced.  Not sure why he. waited.  Good news is we shouldn’t have to waste time and money on hearings 

Hearing buzz that DeSantis is top of list to replace.  Put me in the 110% for that category. 

[Danny Deck]

DeSantis wants to be president. Why would he take a job that would make that more difficult?

[whaletail]

51 minutes ago, Danny Deck said:

DeSantis wants to be president. Why would he take a job that would make that more difficult?

Given his brutal polling in 2024, is he still set on the presidency?

With Trump and his acolytes fairly tarnished, and likely on their way further down, I'd stick to my Florida fiefdom and wait for the Republican establishment to come courting.

I disagree vehemently with DeSantis, but he's intelligent and extremely competent. If he had even a glimmer of charisma, I'd be terrified.