What about your team are you most interested in seeing this season?

[ScottishSteel]

8 hours ago, BruceyB said:

I appreciate the thoughtful and detailed response. My biggest feeling is that the lack of linear progression going back to Zalesky is that the location has as much to do with it as just about anything else. Washington, Idaho, and Oregon just don't produce very many AAs and when a legitimate blue-chip recruit does come along, they almost always go elsewhere. 

As far as I can recall Michael Mangrum was the biggest recruit that stayed close to home and went to Oregon State. Otherwise, it's mostly somewhat middling D1 prospects that end up there.. Ronnie Bresser, Joey Palmer, Taylor Meeks, Roger Pena, to name a few. They are solid gets, but not exactly pick-ups that really move the needle. From the Tri-State area, Derek Garcia went to tOSU, Jordan and Chandler Rogers went to OKST, Berger went to Nebraska, Zac Brunson went to Illinois, Ryan Christianson went to Wisconsin, Ridge Lovett went to Nebraska, etc.

I can't imagine how hard it is to convince kids from the Midwest or East coast to come to (let's be honest) a middling D1 program that is as far away from home as you can get in D1 wrestling. Everyone knows about the rain and the dark winters. Obviously more travel is involved when you're lodged up in the far corner of the US. Corvallis not to mention Oregon as a whole is probably relatively unknown to these kids. Oregon in terms of conference and geography feels like it's just completely isolated from the rest of the college wrestling landscape. The Pac-10 was once a legitimate conference, but now is just a few school that have never been in power-5 conferences and Oregon State. I just don't know how you realistically sell that to recruits that don't have ties and feel a sense of pride to represent the lone program in the PNW.

You are not wrong there; they can sometimes pull a quality kid out of CA but largely isolated (for shame Oregon) - need another PNW school to pick up the sport (Gonzaga?) to help drive wrestling top down to the youth level

[Simpleman424]

21 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I thought you guys were from ohio

Yea, the good parts

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

Yea, the good parts

... who knew?  

Edited October 16 by ionel

[Simpleman424]

44 minutes ago, ionel said:

... who knew?  

Everybody knows the farthest you really NEED to go in Ohio is Columbus then the further North you go the more it starts to smell/feel gross. For Obvious reasons.

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

Everybody knows the farthest you really NEED to go in Ohio is Columbus then the further North you go the more it starts to smell/feel gross. For Obvious reasons.

I find it easier to just stop in Indiana.  

[Simpleman424]

31 minutes ago, ionel said:

I find it easier to just stop in Indiana.  

That’s because you fell asleep driving through…

[ionel]

15 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

That’s because you fell asleep driving through…

... but the smell always woke me before crossed the border ... them east winds

[bryan rogers]

On 10/15/2026 at 2:42 PM, BigRedFan said:

Will Cornell have six freshman starters?

125 Isaiah Cortez (over prior starter Milani)

133 Elijah Cortez (over prior starter Ferrara)

165 Alessio Perentin

184:  Big Little D (Elijah Diakomihalis) (over prior starter Cerchio and returning Mikey Dellagatta)

197:  Jude Correa

285:  Rocco "Bigger D" Dellagatta (over prior starter Ashton Davis)

Should be a really exciting year for Cornell...

 

On 10/15/2026 at 2:42 PM, BigRedFan said:

Will Cornell have six freshman starters?

125 Isaiah Cortez (over prior starter Milani)

133 Elijah Cortez (over prior starter Ferrara)

165 Alessio Perentin

184:  Big Little D (Elijah Diakomihalis) (over prior starter Cerchio and returning Mikey Dellagatta)

197:  Jude Correa

285:  Rocco "Bigger D" Dellagatta (over prior starter Ashton Davis)

Should be an exciting year for Cornell

[Simpleman424]

41 minutes ago, ionel said:

... but the smell always woke me before crossed the border ... them east winds

Comes right off the lakes then we push it off to the west where everything goes to die…

[ionel]

25 minutes ago, Simpleman424 said:

Comes right off the lakes then we push it off to the west where everything goes to die…

... explains a lot ... fortunately I live far enough west and high enough altitude that The Ohio killer stench can't reach me ...

[Truzzcat]

I dont not cheer for a particular team although Jax is my favorite wrestler and I do hate watch PSU so if I were to have a team it would be Oklahoma state. Agree with everything Brucey said, I would add I think Landon has the ability to dominate this year I think there is a world that he does not have a competitive match maybe not in the case that he bonuses 90% of guys but that it never feels like anyone can beat him. Overall I think the Oklahoma state stuff has been touched on. 

other things:
Can Cornell be a top 5 team: Cornell left a lot of points on the table last year with Shapiro as a low AA (Hes gone) ruiz and joy failing to podium. They have a very interesting lineup this year with Joy, Ruiz, and Cornella back who should in theory be comfortable AA picks if not high AA guys. I think where the magic can happen though is their freshman the Cortez brothers to me have AA potential and Isaiah more than Elijah simply because of the weights high AA potential. Perentin and Jude correa to me can also get themselves on the podium. If after the NCAA tournament Cornell had 6-7 AA's I would be a bit surprised simply because that's a ceiling outcome but not floored. They could also very well have 2 AA's though.

How does Bo navigate the workload of this summer into a full collegiate season. Bo has always been a workhorse but how does he go from all three world championships and the work that went into preparing for them straight into a folkstyle season where he may dominate but not to the degree he did in high school where he was sometimes met with zero friction. I forget who I saw the interview of it may have been Marcus but he talked about how even in matches that he dominated last year it was just so much harder than it was in high school.

 

[MoveCountermove]

On 10/15/2026 at 1:57 AM, Nak21 said:

PSU. I expect another title in March, without much drama. Will they set another scoring record??  Probably the last one before DT and Okie St start making it a team race again in 2027-28.

125 - will LL repeat? Will he open it up more and score more on other top guys?

133 & 141 - who’s gonna go here? Blaze, Ono, Desmond, Davis (will he even be on the team). Will Blaze open it up more and find some way to score on the top 3 (Jax, Davino, Seidel)?? If Ono goes, do we just see utter obliteration in neutral and struggles on the mat if it gets that far? 2 out 3 periods likely in neutral, do we see domination and lots of TFs or does he not live up to the hype and struggles with folk style? Is there any there there with Davis’ “issues” and he is booted and takes his services elsewhere? Back to Michigan? How has Desmond filled out and where does he fit in the mix?

149 - how does SVN do in his last go around, with a 149 that suddenly appears to have gotten a lot better. Will he still be so sloppy, especially at the beginning of matches?

157 - thinking Kasak here. Does he make it thru the season or is there a lingering injury/head/concussion problem here. If it’s Sealy, how does he fare when given a chance at the spot?

165 - does PJ go 165?  does PJ bonus his way thru the whole season? 

174 - does MM go 174? Does MM bonus his way thru the whole season?

184 - does Rocco open it up and find some offense against what appears to be a very evenly matched top 3-4 guys?

197 - is Barr healthy? Does Barr bonus his way thru the whole season?

285 - which Mirasola do we get? Whichever one it is, have they put on a little size and ALOT of strength since last year? Will whoever goes crack the top 4-5 on the podium come March??

If Davis stops being a dick, CMU would be a good place for him. I like Coach BB a lot

[Idaho]

On 10/16/2026 at 6:28 AM, BruceyB said:

I appreciate the thoughtful and detailed response. My biggest feeling is that the lack of linear progression going back to Zalesky is that the location has as much to do with it as just about anything else. Washington, Idaho, and Oregon just don't produce very many AAs and when a legitimate blue-chip recruit does come along, they almost always go elsewhere. 

As far as I can recall Michael Mangrum was the biggest recruit that stayed close to home and went to Oregon State. Otherwise, it's mostly somewhat middling D1 prospects that end up there.. Ronnie Bresser, Joey Palmer, Taylor Meeks, Roger Pena, to name a few. They are solid gets, but not exactly pick-ups that really move the needle. From the Tri-State area, Derek Garcia went to tOSU, Jordan and Chandler Rogers went to OKST, Berger went to Nebraska, Zac Brunson went to Illinois, Ryan Christianson went to Wisconsin, Ridge Lovett went to Nebraska, etc.

I can't imagine how hard it is to convince kids from the Midwest or East coast to come to (let's be honest) a middling D1 program that is as far away from home as you can get in D1 wrestling. Everyone knows about the rain and the dark winters. Obviously more travel is involved when you're lodged up in the far corner of the US. Corvallis not to mention Oregon as a whole is probably relatively unknown to these kids. Oregon in terms of conference and geography feels like it's just completely isolated from the rest of the college wrestling landscape. The Pac-10 was once a legitimate conference, but now is just a few school that have never been in power-5 conferences and Oregon State. I just don't know how you realistically sell that to recruits that don't have ties and feel a sense of pride to represent the lone program in the PNW.

I will weigh in here (pun intended)  as well and add to what you and @ScottishSteel have mentioned.  This year we have one of the best rosters top to bottom that we have had in a long time. It's also filled with a lot of great kids - very fun and hard working. When you look at the number of big boarders and top 20 weight class ranked kids, we have many. We have 6 returning NQ - Whisenhunt, Singleton, Hamblin, Lamer, McDonnell and Rademacher... on top of that we have WT member Saldate, U23 national champ Tolentino, WT member Joel Adams and a lot of good young kids on the ladder.   I say all that because IMO this is a make it or break it year. Last year the NCAA's were terrible as @ScottishSteel mentioned. We are set up really nice to have a good number qualify and some guys to jump levels, get over the hump and get on the podium. The question will be if the coaches get them there. It's time to get these guys who have been middling around in the 17-30 rankings for two years to make some improvements and get on the podium. 

On another note, our recruiting has improved a ton. We are getting some good quality kids out of CA. The funny thing, is that a lot of them love Corvallis. If you follow them on social they are definitely taking advantage of the hikes and the ocean. I don't think that's as big of factor as it used to be. Up to this point, we have not lost any of our good kids to the portal except Stiles, who we got from the portal as non-starter, made him into an All-American, then he left for money and didn't AA. That says something as well.  It's interesting that you say Mangrum was a big time recruit, but Bresser was a middling recruit, when Bresser had the better career and was a 2x AA. Meeks out-placed Mangrum as well. That stuff doesn't really matter any more though- different times, different staff. Recruits now are getting paychecks. At the end of the day, whether we like it or not, it's going to be tough to land a top 5 recruit who is getting offered crazy money to go to the Big10. It's reality. So we depend on other things to get recruits.... personal relationships, a good culture and team atmosphere, good facilities and nutrition program, great outdoor activies, a good education, great wrestling schedule opportunities to still wrestle B10 teams, and  the idea that you can make world teams and win world titles at Oregon State. There's a lot of positive... but I will circle back to the point -this year we are set up to have a good season so we will see what happens with it. I also agree, we need more opportunities out west. And that's all I've to say about that. 

[The_KC_Godfather]

On 10/14/2026 at 8:21 PM, SEKPoke said:

Ok State 141#

And 165…

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, Idaho said:

It's interesting that you say Mangrum was a big time recruit

Mangrum was the Asics All-America first team selection at 145 coming out of high school. I wasn't speaking on what happened during their college career but the hype around them coming out of high school.

I appreciate your thoughts as well and it's hard to disagree with any of what you had to say. My only question to you would be in regards to the "make it or break it" comment. If they don't have better results this year, then what would you propose they do moving forward? Outside of landing a completely unrealistic superstar name as coach, I just don't know that I really believe any coaching changes is going to make a difference beyond the perception that they are trying.

A part of me believes that without at least a decent influx of quality local talent, it is just going to be very difficult to have a perennially solid roster. I don't know how the talent is dispersed in Oregon, but a legitimate wrestling Academy in the Puget Sound area in Washington would likely help immensely with elevating a lot of our guys from fringe D1 wrestlers to legitimate solid prospects. Nothing negative towards the coaches in Washington, but several of them wrestled D2 and a few D1 with moderate success. It just seems like that level of coaching is great for winning Washington state titles, but it's not getting guys to a level where they are performing nationally. When Carl Mangrum was running the "Vision Quest" club out of the Swartz' gym, there was a time when they had probably 7-12 eventual D1 wrestlers training together as well as many others that went on to wrestle in college.

I think one problem, at least in Washington, is that coaches and athletes are too focused on winning state titles. It's the attitude that the other top guys in the state are who you are trying to beat, so you don't go to train with the opponent (at least not regularly). State titles are amazing, and high school wrestling was probably the best time of my life. But if the goal is to help develop these kids so that they can go on to wrestle in college, and have success in college, I think a shift away from a state title focus and more focus on development needs to take place. 

[jackwebster]

OSU:

I want to see what happens with Swiderski and Lockett and/or how Taylor handles logjams. 

[The_KC_Godfather]

On 10/14/2026 at 4:11 PM, BruceyB said:

Can Missouri find some stability with their lineup and can Aoeden make some adjustments to separate himself from the other big 3 at 184? Missouri's lineup has been full of holes and lacking legitimate AA threats for a few years now. Can Brian Smith right the ship or is it going to be time to start looking for a change? Of the big 4 at 184, Aoeden seems like he is the most complete wrestler with the most diverse set of skills. If anyone can separate themselves and become a true frontrunner, I do think it's him. The other 3 seem happy to go to OT far too often.

Man, I sure hope so. It seems like we finally have more than one gun, if Mendoza/Rath/Stillwell’s past accomplishments translate well. I’m hopeful (but am not confident) that Walker and Mauger can get past R16. Hopefully Zan can return to his AA form. Mendoza is very capable of AAing and if Rath is healthy, he could be dangerous. I may not get my wish of never seeing Conway in the lineup again. Steed has two more years and if Sinclair can learn how to penetrate Ferrari’s knee wrestling, I think he’s at the top of the podium come March. Hopefully Geog benefits from the change of scenery. And Stoner I think is in the same bucket at Walker/Mauger. I hope Stillwell is the real deal.

[BruceyB]

1 hour ago, The_KC_Godfather said:

Man, I sure hope so. It seems like we finally have more than one gun, if Mendoza/Rath/Stillwell’s past accomplishments translate well. I’m hopeful (but am not confident) that Walker and Mauger can get past R16. Hopefully Zan can return to his AA form. Mendoza is very capable of AAing and if Rath is healthy, he could be dangerous. I may not get my wish of never seeing Conway in the lineup again. Steed has two more years and if Sinclair can learn how to penetrate Ferrari’s knee wrestling, I think he’s at the top of the podium come March. Hopefully Geog benefits from the change of scenery. And Stoner I think is in the same bucket at Walker/Mauger. I hope Stillwell is the real deal.

I know it doesn't necessarily make a lot of sense given that it's an individual sport, but I feel like when a team is ravished by injuries and struggling to put out a consistent and competitive line-up, it tends to have negative effects on the other guys as well. I'm hoping if MIZZ can stay healthy and have their guys in the line-up consistently throughout the year then you see that stability show in the performance of the other guys as well.

[jackwebster]

21 hours ago, ionel said:

I find it easier to just stop in Indiana.  

Driving west into "the great concavity" of Indianapolis on I-74 always makes me feel like "a herd of feral hamsters . . . thundering across the yellow plains ... raising dust that forms a uremic-hued cloud with somatic shapes interpretable as far away as" Pittsburgh.

[ionel]

45 minutes ago, jackwebster said:

Driving west into "the great concavity" of Indianapolis on I-74 always makes me feel like "a herd of feral hamsters . . . thundering across the yellow plains ... raising dust that forms a uremic-hued cloud with somatic shapes interpretable as far away as" Pittsburgh.

I'm shocked that Ohio St drove over for the game today!  

[ScottishSteel]

15 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Mangrum was the Asics All-America first team selection at 145 coming out of high school. I wasn't speaking on what happened during their college career but the hype around them coming out of high school.

I appreciate your thoughts as well and it's hard to disagree with any of what you had to say. My only question to you would be in regards to the "make it or break it" comment. If they don't have better results this year, then what would you propose they do moving forward? Outside of landing a completely unrealistic superstar name as coach, I just don't know that I really believe any coaching changes is going to make a difference beyond the perception that they are trying.

A part of me believes that without at least a decent influx of quality local talent, it is just going to be very difficult to have a perennially solid roster. I don't know how the talent is dispersed in Oregon, but a legitimate wrestling Academy in the Puget Sound area in Washington would likely help immensely with elevating a lot of our guys from fringe D1 wrestlers to legitimate solid prospects. Nothing negative towards the coaches in Washington, but several of them wrestled D2 and a few D1 with moderate success. It just seems like that level of coaching is great for winning Washington state titles, but it's not getting guys to a level where they are performing nationally. When Carl Mangrum was running the "Vision Quest" club out of the Swartz' gym, there was a time when they had probably 7-12 eventual D1 wrestlers training together as well as many others that went on to wrestle in college.

I think one problem, at least in Washington, is that coaches and athletes are too focused on winning state titles. It's the attitude that the other top guys in the state are who you are trying to beat, so you don't go to train with the opponent (at least not regularly). State titles are amazing, and high school wrestling was probably the best time of my life. But if the goal is to help develop these kids so that they can go on to wrestle in college, and have success in college, I think a shift away from a state title focus and more focus on development needs to take place. 

I agree, if the Beavs have a bad year at NCAAs again than they should go get a superstar head coach - I propose Cael Sanderson; I think he could win in Corvallis

Jokes aside, at least for me "make or break" this year means that if the Beavs have a finish to the season that is close to what happened last year than I'm just not going to be fully bought in that Pendelton is the guy.  If the administration decides to move on, I'm okay with it.  I don't think I would be hammering my key board clammering for a change either (at least not yet).  It's a hard job; location for sure does not help but I do think having a real conference should have them better prepared for NCAAs and when they did have that 2022 season they had more of a conference (Arizona St/Stanford).  Now that Pendelton has kinda secured the future (to me it feels like he did a lot of the leg work of bringing in new schools to boost the conference) I'm hoping he can turn his attention back to actual coaching.

 

Either the ship gets right this year or it's time to start thinking about following a new wind

[Idaho]

21 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Mangrum was the Asics All-America first team selection at 145 coming out of high school. I wasn't speaking on what happened during their college career but the hype around them coming out of high school.

I appreciate your thoughts as well and it's hard to disagree with any of what you had to say. My only question to you would be in regards to the "make it or break it" comment. If they don't have better results this year, then what would you propose they do moving forward? Outside of landing a completely unrealistic superstar name as coach, I just don't know that I really believe any coaching changes is going to make a difference beyond the perception that they are trying.

A part of me believes that without at least a decent influx of quality local talent, it is just going to be very difficult to have a perennially solid roster. I don't know how the talent is dispersed in Oregon, but a legitimate wrestling Academy in the Puget Sound area in Washington would likely help immensely with elevating a lot of our guys from fringe D1 wrestlers to legitimate solid prospects. Nothing negative towards the coaches in Washington, but several of them wrestled D2 and a few D1 with moderate success. It just seems like that level of coaching is great for winning Washington state titles, but it's not getting guys to a level where they are performing nationally. When Carl Mangrum was running the "Vision Quest" club out of the Swartz' gym, there was a time when they had probably 7-12 eventual D1 wrestlers training together as well as many others that went on to wrestle in college.

I think one problem, at least in Washington, is that coaches and athletes are too focused on winning state titles. It's the attitude that the other top guys in the state are who you are trying to beat, so you don't go to train with the opponent (at least not regularly). State titles are amazing, and high school wrestling was probably the best time of my life. But if the goal is to help develop these kids so that they can go on to wrestle in college, and have success in college, I think a shift away from a state title focus and more focus on development needs to take place. 

I agree - Mangrum was a big time recruit, I was just comparing him to Bresser who was also a top 10 recruit and won several Fargo titles. He was just small and needed to grow into a 125. 118 would have been perfect for him in the old weights.  IMO Oregon and Washington HS wrestling has been down for a few years. I agree - there was a time when WA and OR were producing great talent - unfortunately it came at a time when OSU was not at their best. I feel like we have gotten some of good ones in the last 5 years - Rademacher, Singleton, Whisenhunt, D. Lamer, etc. ...but we also missed on a few as well.  We recently landed Larwin and Armstrong out of Idaho. There is  now  a big push by OSU  to elevate Oregon wrestling as a whole. They are part of a group doing that - having best on best practices at OSU - they just had a very well attended match day at OSU. Coaches are also getting more involved with HS coaches and programs as well. So, there are some good things going on. As far as make it or break it... This roster will be completely this coaching staff's guys. Many of them have been on the cusp of AA. For some of them it's their last chance. At the end of the day, people want to see results and so do the coaches and wrestlers above anyone. IMO the results of this season is the one that will either take us to the next level,  keep us status quo or possibly a step backwards. That affects recruiting, fan support, alumni giving, attendance.....all of those things. It's the same for any team really. 

[Elevator]

For the Quakers, interested in seeing:

• who wins the spots at 133 and 165 - Hwt?  A lot of uncertainty, but like the depth and interesting young wrestlers that may get a shot
• which of the new guys and 2nd years guys win a spot and have an impact?
• will the team qualify 8 or more for NCAA's?  I think it is possible if aspirational - feel very good about 7.
• Can they get 4 or even 5 guys to the round of 12?  I think possible and feel good about three!
• Can they get 2 AA's?  I think they will!

A young team, but enough leaders and experienced guys that they should be solid.  Hard to see them knocking off Cornell. Should be quite a battle with Princeton who looks pretty good this year from what I read.