Some Things To Consider

[ThreePointTakedown]

https://www.amazon.com/White-Like-Me-Reflections-Privileged/dp/1593764251

 

Using stories from his own life, Tim Wise examines what it really means to be white in a nation created to benefit people who are “white like him.” This inherent racism is not only real, but disproportionately burdens people of color and makes progressive social change less likely to occur. Explaining in clear and convincing language why it is in everyone’s best interest to fight racial inequality, Wise offers ways in which white people can challenge these unjust privileges, resist white supremacy and racism, and ultimately help to ensure the country’s personal and collective well-being.

 

Just in case anyone is interested in reading about this subject. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tplVCp8jqNs

 

If you don't feel like reading you can watch this. Might be informative to some. 

[jross]

In as few words as possible, what about this book will present genuinely new or persuasive material that overcomes the root cause of crime and fragile family structure impact on "race" outcomes?  

[ThreePointTakedown]

12 minutes ago, jross said:

In as few words as possible, what about this book will present genuinely new or persuasive material that overcomes the root cause of crime and fragile family structure impact on "race" outcomes?  

 

I'm trying to figure out your concern. Why 'as few words'? Why not just 'can you explain'? 

 

Are you really that pressed for time? If you watch the video, you can speed it up, it'll inform you as to all the things that might concern you. 

 

FYI, the video makes mention of why some people refuse to even admit that these things exist(hint, they do). 

 

Do yourself a favor and watch. 

 

Here's a breakdown of a few topics if you just want to fast forward for time. 

 

Naturalization Bill - https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/h-r-40-naturalization-bill-march-4-1790

What characteriftic must a perfon have in order to qualify to be a citizen? 

 

Whiteness and/or Privilege - 23:15

'Oblivious to the reality of others.' 

 

Systemic Racism - 27:15

'Is about the way that racial injustice is embedded in the institutional structures of the society and especially when people are NOT trying to be bigoted.'

 

James Byrd - 28:50

I man killed by white supremacists makes the news but 50,000 black people died due to lower quality health care.

 

Policing - 31:00

Joe Crystal & Michael Wood Jr. 

https://baltimorepolicemuseum.com/en/detective-bureau?view=article&id=549:sgt-michael-a-wood-jr&catid=2

 

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/baltimore-settles-ratgate-lawsuit-with-former-officer/7100975

 

Why its important - 41:05

'This is not charity work... its not good for us(white people).'  

 

Rugged Individualism, bootstraps and whatnot - 55:00

'Anybody can make it if you work hard enough. If you believe that, and we said that back during the period of enslavement. When women couldn't vote. We said it during segregation. We knew it wasn't right.'

[ThreePointTakedown]

I hope that helps

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

 

I'm trying to figure out your concern. Why 'as few words'? Why not just 'can you explain'? 

 

Are you really that pressed for time? If you watch the video, you can speed it up, it'll inform you as to all the things that might concern you. 

 

FYI, the video makes mention of why some people refuse to even admit that these things exist(hint, they do). 

 

Do yourself a favor and watch. 

 

Here's a breakdown of a few topics if you just want to fast forward for time. 

 

Naturalization Bill - https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/h-r-40-naturalization-bill-march-4-1790

 

What characteriftic must a perfon have in order to qualify to be a citizen? 

 

Whiteness and/or Privilege - 23:15

'Oblivious to the reality of others.' 

 

Systemic Racism - 27:15

'Is about the way that racial injustice is embedded in the institutional structures of the society and especially when people are NOT trying to be bigoted.'

 

James Byrd - 28:50

I man killed by white supremacists makes the news but 50,000 black people died due to lower quality health care.

 

Policing - 31:00

Joe Crystal & Michael Wood Jr. 

https://baltimorepolicemuseum.com/en/detective-bureau?view=article&id=549:sgt-michael-a-wood-jr&catid=2

 

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/baltimore-settles-ratgate-lawsuit-with-former-officer/7100975

 

Why its important - 41:05

'This is not charity work... its not good for us(white people).'  

 

Rugged Individualism, bootstraps and whatnot - 55:00

'Anybody can make it if you work hard enough. If you believe that, and we said that back during the period of enslavement. When women couldn't vote. We said it during segregation. We knew it wasn't right.'

Your AI chatbot produced an absolute mess here...

[Offthemat]

Racism is so prevalent that people like the SPLC, Juicy Smallet, politicians, and college students have to invent evidence of it.

[jross]

19 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

I'm trying to figure out your concern. Why 'as few words'? Why not just 'can you explain'? 

To be concise means being brief, clear, and comprehensive. Fully answering a question in fewer words proves you master the topic and respect the reader.

This conversation has been had on this forum numerous times.  I'd like to understand what is different that suggests the need to discuss again.

[Danny Deck]

My basic take is that a lot of things attributed to race can be attributed to class. If you present as high class you can get away with a lot more than if you don't. 

I'm reminded of the scene in Mad Men where Don is smoking weed with hippies and when he goes to leave they say he can't leave there are cops in the hall who will hassle him, and he says no you can't leave.

[jross]

10 minutes ago, Danny Deck said:

My basic take is that a lot of things attributed to race can be attributed to class. If you present as high class you can get away with a lot more than if you don't. 

I'm reminded of the scene in Mad Men where Don is smoking weed with hippies and when he goes to leave they say he can't leave there are cops in the hall who will hassle him, and he says no you can't leave.

100% and naturally so.  

[jross]

Does the book address family structure and welfare incentives?

For Whites or Blacks to match Asian success outcomes, I would focus on the family. Marriage, divorce, and children out of wedlock. Start there. Those are the clearest signals of the values that actually lead to successful outcomes.

Big government could incentivize the hell out of having children inside marriage and support long term marriages at least through the kids school years… the complete opposite of the Man in the House destruction policy that FDR and LBJ pushed.

Reduce the marriage penalties. Make benefits neutral or positive in favor of two parent married homes (or multi-generation family). Stop letting long term welfare compete as a substitute for a husband's income.

This reduces the environments that produce higher crime and reduces the cycle of unstable families.

The destructive loop is anti-family incentives -> poverty -> crime -> lack of education -> unstable family -> anti-family incentives. 

 

Outcomes and behavioral biases are more driven by family environments than skin color.

 

Rational behaviors toward groups is practical... and natural... (my young children auto insurance costs are high, walking on the other side of the street from white (e.g. any race) teens in hoodies with menacing face expression, dirty grooming, walk, talk, dress, and act like trouble does).

[Caveira]

59 minutes ago, ThreePointTakedown said:

 

 

I'm trying to figure out your concern. Why 'as few words'? Why not just 'can you explain'? 

 

Are you really that pressed for time? If you watch the video, you can speed it up, it'll inform you as to all the things that might concern you. 

 

FYI, the video makes mention of why some people refuse to even admit that these things exist(hint, they do). 

 

Do yourself a favor and watch. 

 

Here's a breakdown of a few topics if you just want to fast forward for time. 

 

Naturalization Bill - https://www.visitthecapitol.gov/artifact/h-r-40-naturalization-bill-march-4-1790

 

What characteriftic must a perfon have in order to qualify to be a citizen? 

 

Whiteness and/or Privilege - 23:15

'Oblivious to the reality of others.' 

 

Systemic Racism - 27:15

'Is about the way that racial injustice is embedded in the institutional structures of the society and especially when people are NOT trying to be bigoted.'

 

James Byrd - 28:50

I man killed by white supremacists makes the news but 50,000 black people died due to lower quality health care.

 

Policing - 31:00

Joe Crystal & Michael Wood Jr. 

https://baltimorepolicemuseum.com/en/detective-bureau?view=article&id=549:sgt-michael-a-wood-jr&catid=2

 

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/baltimore-settles-ratgate-lawsuit-with-former-officer/7100975

 

Why its important - 41:05

'This is not charity work... its not good for us(white people).'  

 

Rugged Individualism, bootstraps and whatnot - 55:00

'Anybody can make it if you work hard enough. If you believe that, and we said that back during the period of enslavement. When women couldn't vote. We said it during segregation. We knew it wasn't right.'

White privilege and systemic white racism don’t exist 

[wrestlingguy]

We have gone from a "reasonable discussion" to "some things to consider". Same ole shit, different title.

Edited May 28 by wrestlingguy

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 hour ago, wrestlingguy said:

We have gone from a "reasonable discussion" to "some things to consider". Same ole shit, different title.

Soame odd AI chatbot

[mspart]

2 hours ago, jross said:

Does the book address family structure and welfare incentives?

For Whites or Blacks to match Asian success outcomes, I would focus on the family. Marriage, divorce, and children out of wedlock. Start there. Those are the clearest signals of the values that actually lead to successful outcomes.

Big government could incentivize the hell out of having children inside marriage and support long term marriages at least through the kids school years… the complete opposite of the Man in the House destruction policy that FDR and LBJ pushed.

Reduce the marriage penalties. Make benefits neutral or positive in favor of two parent married homes (or multi-generation family). Stop letting long term welfare compete as a substitute for a husband's income.

This reduces the environments that produce higher crime and reduces the cycle of unstable families.

 

The destructive loop is anti-family incentives -> poverty -> crime -> lack of education -> unstable family -> anti-family incentives. 

 

Outcomes and behavioral biases are more driven by family environments than skin color.

 

Rational behaviors toward groups is practical... and natural... (my young children auto insurance costs are high, walking on the other side of the street from white (e.g. any race) teens in hoodies with menacing face expression, dirty grooming, walk, talk, dress, and act like trouble does).

This is a recipe for success.   In the 60s, the fed government did more damage to the nuclear family than anything else and this affected the blacks the most.   They were already poor and these policies made that worse.   I have made this point before but jross just did it so much more eloquently than I could.   

mspart

[Scouts Honor]

yes, leftists hate you no matter what color you are if you disagree with them