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...but he had length. He only wrestled 85 that one time. Mostly a 74...

It is... It's not ideal. I feel the same about Feldman relatively speaking...

Eh, there's always a few weak brackets at the S32.

Saitiev didn't even appear tall, he just had...INSANE balance, hips and a feel for Wrestling that may be unprecedented. He Wrestled...85KG I believe it was and he weighted about 80KG at one WC. As for the best ever, I'd throw Sadulaev into that group and I will die on that hill, but I still think what makes this sport great is you can reach the top no matter your build. While I believe Lillendahl is a massive underdog and...doesn't really have a chance vs Lee, he's on a trajectory to be an Olympian or World Team member...yet they have very different builds.

Yeah...that's kinda wild, isn't it? I've seen him listed at 5'7-5'8. I'd be inclined to go with that 5'7. Not that I've held a tape measure up to him, but I have been in the vicinity of Brooks...and Cael for that matter(again...not knowing either) and Brooks was short. A few inches(At least) shorter than Starocci who I'd put at...~5'10, 5'9. I would think the ideal size, height would be ~6'2 or so at 184-197. Though length is more important, but I feel like I'm being proven wrong here. Taylor was a bit taller as far as I can tell. Burroughs is the ideal build though. Thick, big hips, core and long arms. So I don't think the height matters so much as the length. Hard to tell what Dake is(I'd GUESS 5'9, but I would just be guessing). I think Snyder has a bad build relatively speaking. I think it makes Wrestling Edit-Tazhudinov and Sadulaev particularly tough. Of course...I have zero Olympic or World Medals, so...what do I know...

I looked up top 30 best times and there was ONE that was not Ledecky(I believe it omits one of Summer McIntosh's times for whatever reason). But then you go to top 50 times...EVER and she's got at least 40 of them. We're been pretty lucky to see some...historically great athletes. Phelps is great, Ladecky's had preternatural endurance. Kinda like Simone Biles or...Usain Bolt. There are a few, but not many athletes who are just so incredibly dominant, it's hard to wrap your head around. I grew up with my Grandparents on a lack and my parents had a pool(my Uncle did excavating, a friend of the family actually did lining, another did concrete)...so I swam a LOT growing up. For fun, to work out, whatever. The thought of swimming a MILE or even a half of mile here like this...is mind blowing. And while it SHOULD be obvious it's not just natural talent, I believe she's never once had a beer and has this super strict diet. I'm not a swimming fan just as I'm not a huge Gymnastics fan, but how can you not respect someone who is as dedicated and as talented as some of these athletes and love watching them compete? I would LOVE to see each of them in the 2028 Olympics. I don't know if that's feasible as it pertains to Biles(now THAT is a sport you need a pretty specific body type).

Not talking sh ite. Brooks is 5'7"?

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I would think Cael Sanderson(whom I believe to be taller than the 6') or Tazhudinov...who is 6'3. Also, how much different is Chance's build from Brooks? Brooks is the same height, but he's going to 97KG.

Please.move this thread to the appropriate forum! This is the college wrestling forum!

Chris Bono, Aaron Brooks, I wouldn't say Starocci was particularly long, Kyle Snyder. I think that was a great point, Wrestling is unique because ANYONE of any body type can have success. Cael or Brooks at 197... Tommy Rowlands or Kyle Snyder at HWT...Dean Hamiti or Mark Schultz...Spencer Lee or Stephan Abas and I could keep going, but the point seems obvious. I would say Marstellar winning a spot on the world team and Pletcher being the overwhelming favorite in '20...make them not winning the outliers, not proof they faught their body style.

Kevin Zimmer from Wyoming to SIUE Ty Finn from VT to NYU Mason Reiniche into the portal from Oregon State

Fair enough! If that's the metric we're using, then Askren was successful. Though...he was also a great boxer by this metric. The quotes are appropriate there as that is DEFINITELY what I said!

I have no clue, maybe he's on what a lot of people go on around 50. Some type of HRT or whatever. A PED, but otherwise legal. My point was the guy has ALWAYS had an incredible gas tank and that...I would bet money his conditioning, his cardio is still likely elite. I don't think when he was in the UFC, he was ever out of shape or gassing. Dana White called him a "bag of milk." So he's never been the biggest or most muscular and that was true when he was the most dominant Wrestler in College for two seasons and bumping up and Wrestling All Americans at 184, but he was NEVER the guy gassing...IMO.

Then does his internet version of hanging up on you. Effeminate.

You really think the requirement during the 30 second tie breakers should be working for a fall? The point of this sport is to control another man. I think a 30 second ride out where you're just trying to prevent them from escaping is fine. If I had my preference, you'd have OT go 1 minute neutral, each get 30 second goes and then repeat, but that takes too much time I guess. But I don't think you need to make the criteria for stalling the exact same in 30 second tie breakers.

That’s his go to stuff. “You bore me” “come back when you have better material” meanwhile his stuff is always the same. Sit on the fence with his TDS

THIS is a really good idea...IMO. I don't like this at all. You're effectively reward the top guy. You eliminate that escape point. I'd propose offering the option. You can EITHER bring them up to their feet, or they can stay down to work for the 1. If you bring them up without giving a point...I guess it's situational, but it'd seem to benefit the top Wrestler.

This

It was on Olympic gold which has more currency. In addition, at his young age he’s also been in a WWE ring, played in an NFL pre-season game, is frequently on television with his bank sponsorship, has many other product sponsors. Not too shabby for a 24 year old.

Hasn’t he admitted to being on roids or something now?

Overindulged again, eh?

Maybe he could have been or maybe not…he beat Gino but certainly didn’t dominate him…has he wrestled any of those guys since? In wrestling, you never know who is THE guy until they actually do it…his resume is very thin imo…he is a two time ncaa champ and world gold medalist which was won with a terrific comeback…that is not GOAT material by many years and many tough matches…that is potential yes but the road is littered with such people

I don't understand the rationale for hitting a guy for stalling on top. It is incongruous with the riding time point incentive. We already make it harder to ride with things like the locked hands rule. If you think it's still too easy, ban certain positions. Riding is controlling and isn't that what folkstyle is about?