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Fox would have been off the air a couple decades ago if it went both ways.

The agreement with using public air waves states truth is mandatory. Straight up lies are a violation. There is no criminal penalties so this is not an attack on free speech, it is a violation of the broadcasting agreement.

@JimmySpeaks is this what the "free market" looks like?

I wonder if he wishes that now, too. I think with his longevity and dynamism, he could have been a rare Greco star--but the results have always been just outside his grasp.

I wish Bey would have gone the NCAA D1 route.

There is no argument. Unless you're arguing with yourself.

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Is anyone following the WNBA playoffs?

Greco proposal: Remove the par terre for Greco. Make those rules the same as MFS. Shot clock. If it is 1-1, last point scored wins. Simple. Also, make it 10 points for a Tech. I know it is separate styles, but if you eliminate some of the things that create separation, there might be others who give it a go. There are many rules that could be blended, that just aren't.

Man. When I heard Dean and some other prominent D1 guys might decide to go the Greco route years back, I was excited to see how we could improve. We need something.

That guy should have interviewed Snyder "How many hookers have you paid for?" "Only 50, why so few?" "Did you start banging prostitutes before or after you got married? If before, did it get worse after marriage?" "What country is your favorite for getting hookers?" "Yes, I agree. The Balkans have the best, most crazy whoooores"

He took losses in matches when he didn't need to win them in order to win the Gold. The bad mark/good mark era was like that.

Reminds me of the guy who’s last name was Dover, named his son Benjamin.

I think there is a lot of truth to this. Spencer is a "bully wrestler" and so used to dominating his entire wrestling life that when guys fight back and aren't intimidated, he seems to fold under the pressure. (DeSanto, Picc, Ramos etc)

Greco proposal: a 1-1 passivity points match stops at 5 minutes. Each guy is given 30 seconds on top in par terre. Whoever scores the most points wins. If both score the same amount, the one who scored quickest wins. If neither score, do a second, and then a third round of par terre sudden death like I described. If none of that yields points, we've wrestled 8 minutes. Flip a coin or disqualify both guys. I'd be fine with either result. But guys "winning" a 1-1 passivity points match is bogus.

The Mat's article of that USA greco team... GRECO-ROMAN VICTORY: Behind the scene at the 2007 World Championships | USA Wrestling D3

Sultangali, the Kazakh who beat Black, is into the semi's with an upset. So Black and Sancho still possibly alive pending the semi-final results.

I think it's like tennis or track--not team sports--because of it being individual. If you ask AI, "Who are the greatest American tennis players of all-time?" it will spit out a mixed list of men and women, with Serena Williams rightfully listed first and Pete Sampras rightfully listed before Chris Evert, for example. Then, it further lists the best men and the best women separately. I think this is logical for individual sports. There's one discussion of someone's quality and impact, no matter the gender, and another discussion by gender to compare athletes within their spheres.

It wasn't that, It was the part about being the son his father that I appreciated...

And I'll vouch for the dirty, mangy dog that named him Sue...

Sun vs son... I've never said I was a wizard of typing... ... vs a wizard of the keyboard. (You're welcome, by the way. ) D3

I'll cede the obvious point that there are less female participants. Two counterpoints, because I'm interested in your thoughts: First: Wrestling is a novel sport. Women's wrestling shouldn't count in any way as a "first generation" sport because of how the athletes were grafted into and competing within an already established system against opponents (boys) in that system and with the established coaches and in the same households of that system. Any girl 25 or younger has been groomed to the same level as her male counterpart for her entire journey, with no missing piece of training, knowledge, or competition level. It's no different from African & Asian track and field athletes from non-traditional nations now winning medals in things like javelin and sprints that they never won before. Those athletes are being sent to academies and training programs in the US and Europe at a young age, where they're grafted into a long-established system. Women's wrestling is completely different from emerging women's soccer opportunities globally, for example, where the generations of time needed to establish competition levels and training frameworks is much higher. Secondly: Even if we had only 30% of the current number of boys participating in wrestling in the US; if we had the same coaches, the same number of competition opportunities, the same number of university slots available, and the same level of fan support--the slight reduction in overall athleticism would be almost completely offset by the training and experience built up by those 70% of different athletes who got to inhabit the high-end opportunities from a young age. The level we'd see at NCAAs would see only a mild drop-off. Again, I'd say this: even though Helen Maroulis started out at a time that the girls around her wouldn't have had this fully developed system across the full depth of nations, the fact that she keeps winning now against the generation who DID have it from the time they were 6 or 8 years old onward validates all that she's accomplished and should put her in a general discussion as one of our 3 or 4 best wrestlers ever.

No she does not. Argue between John Smith and Jordan Burroughs. Also, Adeline has more gold and as many as JB. She just didn't get it at Olympics. Also, I'll probably never mix mens and womens when discussing GOAT. Seems silly. Do we do that with any other sport?

Nothing went his way and it all snowballed. We have never seen him have to dig himself out of a hole. He wasn't able to get that even started against Armenia.