I saw excerpts too before just running the whole thing through (which I still have a little more to go, four hours isn’t going to happen in one sitting, or even two for that matter). But the excerpts don’t get it.
Not trying to convince anyone how they should feel about the guy. It’s just a good conversation between two people who aren’t exactly on the same side of everything. Might I add a conversation that includes a lot more data, statistics, and factual information from both people, than pack messaging. Like I said at the beginning, it’s not going to be comfortable for someone of the pack mentality who goes with what they’re told to think, but for open individuals who enjoy hearing out opposing view points it is very worthwhile.