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A lot of recent bias there (somewhat deserved) but I would add Andy Matter up there somewhere. Sent from my Pixel 7 Pro using Tapatalk

At some point I found a 50s rulebook and it said pin fall.

Next, let's look at population per Capita!

I think the scholarship drop was a year or two later but yes close in time. Also around when the coach limit of 4 came into play.

It was 36. Then they phased out D2-(2) and D3- (1) late 80s early 90s.

Jon Jon?

Greg Jones lost first round as 1st seed and returning champ in 2003. He won the next two years.

What does Ohio have to do with anything? Different venue, different bracket sizes. Check the PIAA schedule and see where there's about 5-6 more hours to do this.

So are you intent on adding a 4th day?

Mrs Gardner!

But he's never IN the corner!

They experimented with that maybe 30 years ago. One of the kids ended up in the hospital.

Is he moving up and replacing Beard?

Yup. I was switching bouts from one mat queue to the other for a while.

How about Burwikk?

Definitely subjective. It's not about who has more control, it's about who has more of an option to react. Haines was reacting. Generally a guy that was brought down by a double to his butt isn't as likely to try anything.

He doesn't have reaction time because it takes ten seconds to go through it frame by frame. The clock showed two seconds through it all. Why I say these other scenarios are irrelevant to this is because I see something in Haines reaction. Landing on your butt from a double doesn't allow for much else to happen. Again people look at the video, it doesn't look to me like his butt is down on the mat- at least not firmly. He's pushing up with hands and feet to fight out of the hold. He's turning towards Robb. He's trying to hip heist. The fact that he wasn't successful in the end and this would likely have been 2 in the center with the same amount of time left doesn't mean 2 should be given here. When Haines landed back down he twisted away pulling Robb off with the whizzer. (I saw another angle from above)

One situation has nothing to do with the other.

Wow, you always require reaction time because the rules say so other than hand touch. Nothing elkse to add.

You definitely live up to your reputation here. Never said anything remotely resembling that. All I said was he needs time to react. I didn't say how long that is. That's up to the official and the situation.

You mean HuskerDu?

And your entire argument here is irrelevant. IT ISN'T A HAND TOUCH SITUATION! You need reaction time. So the argument revolves around when to call control. You can't do that from standing. And then you have to factor in Haines reacting away. If he had hip heisted out, it wouldn't have been a td. The fact that he didn't is irrelevant to when you would wait to determine that he didn't. And with the ref's leg in the way we can't really see when Robb's feet left the cylinder.

I went back to look again at how this sequence started. This is NOT a hand touch situation. At the EIWA coaches meeting Friday night, our head official gave a great explanation of that rule. You must start in a position where you would otherwise be able to get a rear standing reversal. And the picture in the rule book first shows that position and then where the wrestler leans forward and touches a hand. What happened here was that Robb locked in a slightly off center chest to chest position.

First, the ref (or is it the assistant?) moves such that his left leg blocks the view of the sideline so it's hard to tell exactly when the feet leave the cylinder. Second, watch how Haines is physically reacting. He somehow kept most of his body off the mat through a lot of this. He's using his hands and feet to push up and often turning into Robb. The screenshot is clearly OB as Robb's feet are clear of the refs leg. If this had been in the center - control isn't clear until right around the screen shot (maybe a few frames earlier) but that would have to be pretty short time allowed for reaction given how Haines was turning in.