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I didn't say he was a nice guy. I didn't say that insurance companies are the greatest thing ever. I said I see murder as the problem in this circumstance. You think murder is ok, but pretend its not. I get it. A lazy argument is " low population density leads to higher immigration." Why aren't Indians moving to Antarctica. Very low population density!

Population density? LOL All the Indians moving to Alaska or Arkansas because the low population density of those states. Get out of here with that silliness.

Lazy? a guy gets killed in the streets of NY. I see the problem in that a MURDER occurred. I don't THINK it is wrong. I KNOW it is wrong. But some people think: "A guy got killed in the streets! we need to fix our insurance industry!" Victim blaming at its worst. His company actively murdered people? Like went to their house and killed them? Or did they die of something else? Crazy. Crazy. Crazy.

The major issue I see is : murder. (And perhaps a group of people whom have been somehow riled up to hate people who have more money than them)

More of an Atlantic City guy, perhaps?

RIP

I'm talking about YOUR take. Weird. Whataboutism...

The Joyful ones like "weapons of war" now?

Murder is wrong, BUT... Pretty interesting take.

He is a better coach, too. Kolat fanboyism is rampant. Great high school and college wrestler, but he's become a martyr. Score a couple more points, avoid a few 50-50 positions, learn to wrestle from the clinch... maybe he gets another world silver or two. The fact that he wrestled matches that were too close and let politics get involved has made him a martyr and increased the level of devotion to him. Didn't he automatically release the clinch as opposed to wrestle from the position? I seem to remember this. Not acceptable.

Never beat Jang Jae-sung and had multiple losses to him. I would in no way put him above Terry Brands, whom is a US guy with two world titles. Others, I would have to think about.

The party of joy! It is really interesting. The killer's outfit is very familiar. It almost as if I have seen something similar on a group of people in the past.

Domestic terrorism.

Russian bot.

That's the one. Small sample size, I know. This weekend will give a better indication

Feldman looked to have regressed a bit from last season, at least from the bout I saw.

Are you trying to imply that he eliminated it? lol bc that DID NOT happen. Reduced, yes.

Hear! hear!

I only jumped in the conversation because I thought your argument was disingenuous, not because I would say Kolat is the best on the list. Anyways, 1998 was just straight overturned. 1999 and 2000, he had to re-wrestle matches due to decisions made behind closed doors after he won those matches on the mat. And there were some other shenanigans afterward in 2000 to ensure he didn't make it out of his pool. Seriously, he had some egregious refereeing in 1997 followed by three consecutive years of having been declared the winner of a match only to have those results changed after the fact. Sure, he had the opportunity to re-wrestle the last two, but that's a pretty big mind-***duck**. I can't even fathom the level of resentment I would still harbor for the sport. My argument is no the least bit disingenuous. Love Kolat as a wrestler, but he is not in the discussion of greatest of all time (not to win Olympics), which is what this is all about. Saying that he is any kind of GOAT discussion outside of PA or LHU is disingenuous. Yes, the guy got screwed... and this has only added to his mystique. His misfortune has raised his status. Lots of bad reffing in big Olympic matches! just ask anyone who saw Henson's gold medal match or Terry vs. Dabir.

I didn't say anything about him being better than those two or anyone else. I'm just pointing out that using "0 world titles and 0 olympic placements" in your argument shows you're completely discounting that he was screwed over worse than anyone in US wrestling history. Sure, in 1997, he "left it in the hands of the ref." But 1998 and 1999, he literally won the matches, and they went behind closed doors to overturn the results. The thread is literally "who is the best not to win an Olympic gold medal." I love Kolat, but he is not in this conversation. And I would go with Kemp and the 1980 team as "screwed over more." They never were even allowed to take the mat. Just curious, was 2000 the year Kolat had to re-wrestle a bout? I know that they weren't all completely overturned.

I personally witnessed his hand raised in the gold medal match. I didn't see the money change hands. I was told by a World Team coaching staff member that worked with me, that there had been a payoff. (The individual was not on the 95 FS world stuff, but in the know. Highly respected.)

Also, I think we are giving Kolat too much credit for rules changes. The shoelaces in 97 is prob accurate. Others, I'm not so sure. Lots of people were screwed by backroom deals. McCoy for one. I personally witnessed Wada have his hand raised to win the gold in 95 only to have some money change hands and come home with silver instead. Tedeev won that weight.

Yeah, he literally had his hand raised at the end of every match in '98. And he had his hand raised at the end of the semifinals match in '99. We can go on, but you are going out of your way to downplay how bad a screw job he got. YOU are going out of your way to say that a guy with 0 world titles and 0 Olympic placements is better than a guy with two world titles and an Olympic bronze (Terry) and a guy with three world titles (Kemp). You made a lot of excuses, but haven't addressed 97? (Kolat had some bad things happen, great wrestler...no question. Just not on Brands, Kemps, Dakes, etc. The scewjobs have enhanced his legend)

There was at least one re-wrestled match, so that wasn't "taken' from him like a re-scored match. Le's not add McCoy's matches to Kolats. There were no closed doors in 97. What about 99 where he lost twice? 2000 where the controversial loss was to a non-medalist? He was a victim of some awful stuff, but you can't just assume he wins the tournament. He wasn't dominant enough against the best guys to count ofn a win every time they wrestled. That is just the truth. He had more wrestling left in him after 2000 and never came close. How many people are saying: Terry would have been Olympic champ in 2000 if the refs didn't stop his bent leg turk vs Dabir? No one. And Terry is far more accomplished than Kolat.