JeanGuy

Champions don't change weights to avoid people. Neither PK nor CS would move based upon the result of this match.

I am in a weird spot with this. I thought that the old rules were so restrictive and harmed the athlete especially in lieu of a coach's ability to go to different schools on a whim. Where we are now has really become untenable. Players coming and going multiple times in a career. This can't be good for sport. I would like to see the athletes get one free transfer. After that there has to be a penalty. Coaches need to be able to know how to build their rosters. NIL needs to be reined in and there be actual NIL work associated with any pay. If a guy makes a deal with Dave's Chevrolet or Nike great. I don't want some murky transfer of money to come to State University to play soccer. The NCAA seems to have really dropped the ball here with their own rules. I can only speak for myself but all of this as currently being executed is driving me away from college athletics.

For whatever reason it seems pretty clear that he doesn't want to wrestle be it freestyle or folk. Good luck to him in his endeavors. As to NIL, I know there is no way to prove how much guys get, but I just can't see these groups sending hundreds of thousands of dollars at wrestlers. You see reports that players are getting 100's of thousands or even millions but I just can't see it if it is coming from a school's NIL collective. If you sign with Nike maybe I get it but it is hard for me to believe that Mitchell Messenbrink or Ben Kueter is getting a ton of money from collectives.

Hard to know what will happen with the COVID guys. Lee is going to be just shy of 30 for LA in 2028. I don't know what his weight cut is like but that is a long time to be managing weight. Sometimes you want to move on. The US must start to work on getting guys Sr. level FS events at earlier ages. A guy like Starocci will still be in college at 24. I would like to see guys getting real Sr. level FS experience at 20.

I am a relatively new fan of wrestling. I don't find one any easier to explain to someone than the other. In folk you can watch two guys roll around for 40 seconds and there are no points scored because they are both holding on to a foot. Or as others have said here is a lace and the match is now over. Neither is made for the uninitiated. Just embrace that they are different and enjoy both (or all three).

Especially the way scholastic stuff is going today. A 21-year-old might be a college Freshman. Lee is 25 and wrestling his first major Sr. level event. I know he had his own unusual circumstances with injuries, but the point is the same. Brooks is 24. You have Nolf stuck behind Dake and he is 28 and getting ready to time out. Messenbrink is already 21. It is hard to make up that time.

I think it is poorly named. People watch a guy dart in and out, shoot, etc. and then get put on the clock. People see that as forcing the action. When in fact in F/S they want the wrestles to really work their offense from ties. So passivity isn't the right name. I don't know what I would call it but you know what the referee is looking for.

https://youtu.be/jXm9IRB4_Pw?si=dnl1UMfWaek8HzAQ In old school

That may be, but Spencer is the one that comes off poorly. I understand the disappointment but you need to be better. The Olympics is if nothing else supposed to be about sportsmanship.

seems like the Amine family has wrestled for a lot of countries.

You see folkstyle guys make that mistake at crucial times. Brooks got to that single and was thinking hang on for 30 seconds and I win because if that guy comes over the top and turn you when you still have control there is not scoring. I look at this way, as experience grows mentally it becomes second nature to not rely on the old tricks. I remember watching Rehterford take a lot of F/S losses early were all he needed to do was give up a position and get back to his feet but he kept trying to work a bad folk position and got punished for it.

Brooks tried to use a folk position (hold on to the single) to get to the end but Bul just went over the top. I think that is an experience thing.

I think you need to watch a little more football. These guys have tremendous athleticism and skills. Braden Fiske from Florida State this year is 6'4" 292 lbs. He ran a 4.78 40 with a 33.5" vertical leap. I would guess Gable isn't even in the ball park with those numbers. These guys have tremendous hands and feet to do what they do. Comparing Gable to Aaron Donald is only relevant from a size perspective. Donald was so skilled and athletic that he was a unicorn. I know this is a wrestling board and people are more likely to give wrestlers the benefit of the doubt, but NFL players are a whole different level of athletic.

Patrick Queen 6'-0" 230lbs Bobby Wagner 6'-0" 240lbs Roquan Smith 6'-1" 236lbs Fred Warner 6'-3" 230lbs All right in line with your thoughts. There are no more Levon Kirklands out there.

I obviously don't know his situation but I have been around a Big Ten football program and they often know pretty fast no matter what a recruit ranking was if they think that guy can be a player. In Kueter they see a guy with options so maybe they advised him of his best option. You don't step away from a program from a year and come back better. Or maybe he just prefers wrestling.

I hate to be that guy but his "choice" probably came from a heart to heart with Ferentz. Not in the plans. It's not 100% but after a season they probably fell like they know what they have in him.

Does he even get the chance to compete for it? Sometimes coaches make promises, and they won't back pedal even if they are wrong.

When guys move up it is almost a stock answer to say that, "I wanted to focus on getting better at wrestling not cutting weight." I always wonder about weight classes then I stood next to Zain Retherford in Moe's one day and next to Bo Bartlett at a convenience store another time and realized these guys are pretty small overall.

It is funny people say that he has the athleticism, but I don't think anyone knows how athletic he is compared to guys that are the freakiest of freak athletes. The size and speed of NFL players is just different from other sports.

It is really hard to say what Cael would have done internationally had he dedicated to it. He didn't go to the World Championships in 2001 to focus on folk and the US didn't go in 2002. So, he won silver in 2003 and won Olympics in 2004 and that was it until he came back in 2011 at 32 without almost a decade of competition and finished 5th. That really isn't too bad for not really focusing on F/S.

How can you go wrong with Jan Michael Vincent, Tim Conway and John Amos. He really isn't all that athletic. He is for his sport but not in the big picture of sports. There is no place for him in football.

Well since Dake rarely loses and never loses to Americans I would say not until it is clear he is done. So solid and strong. The only one I could even see is Starocci. He is a guy that is playing the same game as Dake.