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I know it sucks to see, but the numbers don't really lie. They are a large program (~50 kids), right? Since they opted in, they will be forced to reduce down to 30 as a cap. They would still be bringing in less to the school even if they had zero scholarships for wrestling. I fear this is not the last of this.

Can't have him and Munoz at 197 at the same time.

By their own standards: Yes. Do you not see Hawkeye fans everywhere preaching how the Brands bros, who are the 2nd most succsssful program behind Sanderson's Penn State, need to be fired and that they are shit coaches? Their standard is #1. They perform subpar when they do not attain a #1 finish at the end of the season. Again, if you wish to throw all sorts of asterisks up there, we can say whoever we want is #2... or #3... or #4, etc. If getting 4th twice in 20 years (not close to 3rd either time, btw) is elite to you, fine. As I said before, I have no horse in that race just a different standard for what elite is. I am going to enjoy watching many of their wrestlers because it is entertaining.

Keep adding asterisks, why don't we? Let us only count the points at nationals from weights in which ASU had placers. That should show that they're at worst the 2nd best program in the land. Now, knowing that what I just said is stupid - let us evaluated based on their own measure of standards - a team trophy. They have two team trophies in Zeke's time. 20% of the time. That isn't good enough. For a team that wants one every year, they have failed 80% of the time under Zeke. That is subpar.

Redding, Johnson, Swiderski, Chittum, Gaitan, and Riggins are all dinged up or in some way unable to participate in the wrestleoffs...

If you Google it with UWW it still pops up Tank Sadulaev. He would have to have never wrestled an international match to not pop up. Possible, I suppose.

Also interesting is that Sadulaev is listed at 92 KG on the poster. Is there an allowance?

First off, I apologize @RegularStalling. I was an asshat there and I owe you an apology for being such. I do and he does. He was a former MGR World Teamer, so he had Oly-Shirt eligibility last year. Key was that is what I want, I know nothing on his physical location, size, or mental state. He did the 'old' Ivy League Greyshirt. Deferred enrollment while he strictly trained for a year.

UWW don't count good.

I am not trolling, i am being contrarian. I have no horse in the race. I also thought the term 'mediocre' was aptly used since we are, in fact, talking about a program that strives and is expected to compete for a trophy every year. When they don't achieve that far more often than they do, that is subpar. The actual definition of subpar is 'below standard.' The definition fits. Zeke nor anyone else within the program will tell you that anything better than 36th place is acceptable, or on par. Elitist is absolute shit word usage and ignorant as hell to use. This is a ***ducking** BBS. Toughen up and don't let words hurt you.

Under Zeke: 2024 - 6th 2023 - 7th 2022 - 4th 2021 -4th 2019 - 12th 2018 - 10th 2017 - 14th 2016 - 36th 2015 - 29th Again, for a team that expects a trophy every year, they have been subpar as a whole. Since 2004 they have averaged 15th place.

I want: 125 - Figs 133 - Chlebove 141 - Vasquez 149 - Manville 157 - Larkin 165 - Ruiz 174 - Manville 184 - Valencia 197 - <INSERT BODY> 285 - Schultzy

For a team that wants a trophy (or better) every season, they have been subpar.

Now if Stanich comes out and destroys him, what happens? To be clear, they're teammates so I doubt there will be any sort of destroying going on. Does Hines then wrestle Griffin? Loser there wrestle Brignola? Loser there wrestle Dubler? Or do they just do a lineup shift for what is best for the team?

Stanich going from 125 to 141? That is pretty dope.

I believe he is a Frosh this year. That said, as IaW eludes to below, once the 'coach' is gone they won't draw the numbers/names. I believe he will look to follow to wherever his boys are heading which, to me, seems to be pretty likely Rutgers.

Nomad is suggesting, and he isn't wrong, that we are and have been spoiled the last couple/few cycles. Keeping it purely cyclical, I suppose taking the P4P from 23-24, 19-20, and 15-16 and comparing those three would be apt. Was there a P4P for 11-12. I don't have time now, but I might later.

Bishop McCort wasn't much prior to the Bassetts and their family heading there. I don't expect them to remain much after the younger Bassett has graduated - all respects due.

A couple of things to consider about the logjam there is that Johnson and Echemendia are still expected to wrestleoff for the 149lbs spot. If Echemendia loses, does he go back down to 141, or up to 157? What does that do about 157, if Echemendia goes down? Do we see Swiderski come out and chop wood?

He is also 5'6" tall. I don't think that will equate well for his style.

A good response, from Superfan Joe Warren (a good follow if you're in to the Twatterverse). Also an element to add is that we have a few All-Timers that are fixing to 'age out' so there will be a power vacuum to fill for a year or three until we have an established hierarchy tier again (my theory).

Greetings All, Nomad had an interesting question on the Twatter, and I thought it would be good for a discussion here. In his original post, he asks "How many of these guys will make > 1.5 world teams and wrestle > 4.5 years on the senior level after college?" with a screenshot of Flo's P4P Top 20. While I wasn't able to find ten years ago (2014-15) easily, I was able to grab 2015-16's Top 20 P4P and followed that up and asked something along the lines of 'Who from this fits that criteria?' Discuss, gents... Actual Twitter posts to follow...

If CSUB and Michigan both go, we would get Heinselman and Focus, of which I would actually oddly root for Ford Focus.