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Stevo Poulin Did you not see his hype videos from when he was seven? They scared me.

I might have said Gilman before I saw how nonathletic he looked playing dodge ball. I would have no issue throwing down with that guy right now.

I know a few streets I can direct him to.

Well yes, but he went in weighing in two weight classes above the previous season, even if it was technically one weight. Had Brands done the same he would have been a 149lber under today's rules. Even with the current weight classes he would have been a 141lber.

What are you afraid of? Him hooking that ankle and just sitting on top of you?

Not you, but that newspaper showed it's ignorance here. Had weigh-in rules been present to today's standards it is likely the Brands Bros were at least one weight class higher. So Tom would have been 141. If you recall quite a few gents (Cunningham bros, for example) did a 'double bump' at CMU (thank you for the reminder of that Flo...). I would put Tom firmly entrenched in the 'average' man market. Terry's mentality alone sprays him right in the small man category. If that guy was twelve foot tall he would still have napoleon syndrome. This is funny as hell. I might add that it would be convenient that Cathy went "Je ne parle pas la langue anglaise." on all of us.

Not a current D1 wrestler, dipshit. Good try, though (not).

My understanding is that even had the Focus clan not gone there, Mastro was going to be a turd either way. While the Focus clan gets the blame, do we really know if it would have been as bad without Mastro insofar as culture destruction? I say yes, but Mastro is just as guilty in so many ways. In some ways worse.

Gents that have short fuses. They are going to try to throw hands first and ask questions later. Most of the high end successful guys have a gentle demeanor about them. They have learned respect and humility to be one of their primary traits. Running in to a short-fused dipshit who things they are King Badass would be worse. Five years ago that someone was Blue Dragons Jr. Hell that kid used to go looking for college frat boys to beat on when he was a high school kid. For me, personally, right now? It is opposite. Despite my young age, I am in excellent shape and until I ended up taking this consultant job here in CT I was practicing BJJ 3-5x a week. We had our MMA sessions as well as wrestling sessions as well. So I am a pretty confident guy. A guy like Blue Dragons Jr is out of my weight category. I am not putting on 15-20lbs of functional weight for a fight - or a street fight. Roll around on a mat? Sure. Let's do it. Guys like Baylor Fernandez, though? I would love to have him come to my gym. He gives me coward vibes. Back to the original question. Who would I not want to see in a street fight right now? Trent HIdlay. All day. I wouldn't have a head to put on top of my shoulders if he hits me with one of those clubs. The fact that I would be concerned with the impending doom of that club coming would make it so I was vulnerable every where else. I am farely certain I couldn't take him down without collecting a lunch box or two on the way in and he is absolutely bigger and stronger than me. Weight classes exist for a reason and we are going to see a brute of a 197lber out of him this next season.

I vote for Dr. @MPhillipsdo be the next Celebrity Mod. Needs to happen. Big things - GREAT things can be done under his tutelage.

I think we are both sort of picking apples from the same side of the tree. Meaning I see what you are saying on size, although I think you are drastically underselling the OSU gents. My point was that they have had serious weight-cutters. That doesn't necessarily mean size. We will have to disagree on Fix, btw. I think he is absolutely jacked at 133. He dwarfed every 61 KG guy on the planet during his Silvers run. Also Witcraft sucked a shit-tonne of weight. Yes. There is one from last season at the very least. Add in that he had to do it with what... a month left? Gfellar should have never been 141. Plott IS average sized and Wittlake was not a tiny 184lber. Against Bolen, who is and has been a rather stacked 184lber for the last five years, he went toe-to-toe and did not look smaller. Sheets? Yeah last year is the anomaly. Gfellar and Sheets both were absolutely victems of '7th' year senioritis AND the Focus clan coming through and destroying the culture (in one-ish season) MOST heavyweights do not cut to get to 285lbs. That is a false statement if ever there was one. They might get a bit healthier to get under the 285 limit at the beginning of the season, but during the season they aren't cutting. Maybe Jensen was the last HWT that actually had to 'cut' to get there? Even Schultzy brushed off having to weight manage when he was asked about his 'down' performance at NCAAs. I will even concede that Surber navigated to a more natural weight class despite coming down from ~245lbs to 197 in one offseason. He has physically looked like three different beings the last 14 calendar months, though, due to 'weight management' approaches. Definitely wasn't cutting at all there. Not once. He went Vegan or something.

I had to read that first sentence a good 12 or 14 times before the dots connected themselves to 'cutting weight' not not actually... well... sucking one's own balls off.

Have you missed every season since Marsteller or something?

Devil's Advocate here... why would he drop from last offseason's Freestyle weight of 70 KG (~154.3lbs) to 65 KG (~143.3lbs) for this Freestyle season? Dropping those 11lbs isn't exactly a sign pointing towards a successful venture as D1 149lber for the team that has the most titles in history out of any and all collegiate sports. Especially since that squad is well known to make kids cut a shit tonne of weight.

Also, FWIW...

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McKenna is average sized 65 KG guy. He isn't going to be able to do much against some of those HP driven, eastern bloc gents. Parris is going to win the whole fckn thing and everyone is going to be like "STEVESON 1, PARRIS 2, THEN EVERYONE ELSE" This will age well. Unfortunately for McKenna.

(duh)?

It's Deborah, damnit!

I don't think they follow. Results are for the weights wrestled.

I was talking actual wrestling results. Comparable data. You're speaking in riddles to attempt to make a point yet look stoopid while doing it. Proceed, please.

I mean... jokes aside... a few years back Malik Amine made it further in his bracket at worlds than Zain Retherford did... in the same 65 KG bracket.

It is fact that weight classes exist for a reason. That means that this becomes a P4P discussion based on results for these gents in the specific weight classes they competed in. This also means that Steveson being the HWT GOAT makes him the GOAT of GOATs. Statistically in a P4P sort of 'per-weight' discussion? He probably isn't up there. There are some toons that absolutely rack up much better bonus point ratios at lower weights and they will always be ahead statistically.

There were two sets of twins, so not all the Finesilvers represent them if there are three representing them currently. Also Matt Finesilver, the larger of the younger twins, is having to wrestle 92 KG. He was 174lbs a year ago then went 184lbs this season just to wrestle 92 KG (202.8lbs) this freestyle season. Not an ideal/easy path there.