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@Jon_Kozakis and always has been top class.

I would still pay to watch them two wrestle, FWIW...

Minnow's nickname is Minnow. He can own that for a while longer.

I wasn't too far off...? 125 - McCrone, DNP (3W-2L) 133 - Bouzakis, 3rd (7W-1L) 141 - Mendez, 1st (5W-0L) 149 - D'Emilio, 4th (5W-2L) 157 - Gallagher, 7th (5W-2L) 165 - Wilcox, DNP (2W-2L) 174 - Kharchla, 3rd (5W-1L) 184 - Hoffman, DNP (2W-2L) 197 - Geog, DNP (1W-2L) 285 - Feldman, 6th (5W-3L) Wilcox instead of Hepner - was wrong there. Hoffman lost to the guys who took 5th and 6th, right? I am chocking that up to first time at the weight for an extended time and I think he will be fine. He will get a chance to avenge his Bullock loss soon. My worry with Geog was length at 197 and it appears I was correct there (unfortunately). Feldman is right there. Only had two actual losses... I hope his injury isn't too serious.

Bratke is on here. I have him traced to at least seven different usernames, only five of them burners.

Nicky Skeletor enrolled anywhere?

Be real, GRF... A Cornell degree, just in name alone, is far superior. They don't need to bank on that for a selling point. Lehigh going of the 'quantity' and not 'quality' approach is still a win for Cornell.

I enjoy Pyle. I enjoy most, though. It probably goes along something like the old "If you're looking for a problem you're going to find it." Go in to every match open-minded and if you don't want to, then turn the volume down. One thing I actually appreciated about CKLV was it did appear that Pyle was attempting to coach Kozak in his play-by-play. They would alternate and a few times they didn't shut their mic off in between and it seemed like he was giving pointers or suggestions (really they were just talking). Kozak seems a natural, as it were, so there isn't much needed there to get him there, too. I would much prefer Ollie(sp?) than Rader. I think Rader's personality may take him far, as long as he doesn't rub too many people the wrong way, but as a caller I am not really a fan of - at this point. I don't know how Ollie does, or would do, but I do prefer him on FRL than JD as well. Not to say I don't want Rader on FRL, as I do enjoy him too.

NIL agreement(s) or contract(s) likely have after-school implications. Even if they aren't supposed to, do you think for one second that these guys aren't keeping many of their 'sponsors' after they graduate - especially a guy like Spencer Lee?

Great minds and simple minds often think alike one another. I know I am pretty simple, but I had you held to higher regard, mate.

I imagine there are quite a few coaches who aren't as 'in-touch' with ranking 33 gents per weight class as some of us are. The HC gig in NCAA D1 wrestling is insane to manage. Meaning, I bet they look at rankings/results and such. Many, if not most, also apply bias towards theirs purposely to manipulate the system - which has been a known corruption for years and years.

His wife also has potential.

You're welcome.

I saw that after... please see my edit, mate. Sorry, again.

Heavyweight would have 13 if they did the weight classes the same as College (save for 106/113/120(119?).

175 has eleven (11) ranked gents. Makes sense Flo still ranks using 170 and 182. Would be (could be?) 12 if Focus ends up going up.

Also Bo Bassett up at 138 again... lighter field than before. I imagine it's so Gibson can get in at 132 (possibly one entry per school?)?

Another per Flo... https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11600455-all-the-ranked-wrestlers-headed-to-the-ironman-wrestling-tournament

What? A ) You are not the OP. B ) In the OP it talks about ranking of Flo VS Common Sense, correct? How does this not hold value to this thread? C ) It was fun for me, so if you don't like it you can pound sand - all respects due as they were. D ) If you take 'C' serious, then that should tell you more about you than me. E ) I agree. Little looks pretty damn good. I don't see that next tier Moxy we see in guys like Elam and Buchanan quite yet, but he might get there by next year. Edit: I TOTALLY mistook what you said as to what I posted was not related. My apologies, bud. Please for give me. I left what I had put for comedic relief.

Per Flo... https://www.flowrestling.org/articles/11601287-ironman-wrestling-tournament-pre-seeds-released 165 is absolutely jacked... 1 - Angelo Ferrari (#1 @ 170) 2 - Joe Sealey (#1 @ 160) 3 - LaDarion Lockett (#3 @ 160) 4 - William Henckel (#2 @ 160) 5 - Ethan Birden (#5 @ 160) 6 - Clay Giddens (#14 @ 152) *Flo's "RaNkInGs' because it's a Flo article.

Cael and Cyler must be Brands Bros V2.0. Just with a lot more winning. And happiness. And common sense. And just about everything else except Napoleon Syndrome.

I wouldn't be surprised had I seen the results after NCAAs and seen it with these placements as of today. I know they aren't predictions or projections, but more of an earned seed predictor (perhaps?)... Fun stuffs.

Okay, so here is a little bit more of a bit of fun. I took Intermat, Flowrestling, The Open Mat, The Wrestling Report, and Wrestlestat's rankings (ratings for Wrestlestat, mind you) and compiled the Top 20 from each, giving them reverse order compensation (20 points for 1, 19 for 2, 18 for 3, etc.). In the Top 20 of all five, only 24 wrestlers are represented and here is what it spit out...

I understand what you're saying. All I was saying is that I see the justification there. One thing to also consider is that this isn't like the College Football Playoff who is supposed to start from scratch each week to (re)evaluate ever team. It is a week by week basis. Let's take Cole Matthews of Pittsburgh, for example. He basically got a 'bye' for his loss to Koderhandt (Navy). Miller (Maryland) got more credit for beating him (in the rankings) than Pucino (Illinois) did, though. Not due to margin of victory, but because once... okay... twice maybe on to something... three times in four match...? Something's up. Now if someone beats Matthews it will be "something's up" until proven otherwise and they won't give that wrestler as much credit as an earlier season victory for Koderhandt or Miller. That is how rankings work and also why they wrestle the match. Also, yes they look at past results, but recency bias is a factor when two people are evenly matched on paper. Unortunately, he will have not the opportunity to prove it this year, unless he heads to Midlands or the Scuffle or something to make up matches, as all he has left on his schedule is: Per Wrestlestat (ranking/projection)... - #128 Raddon (3W-2L), Wyoming - Tech 18-2 or - #22 Novak (6W-4L), Wyoming - Decision 9-2, Novak is a true frosh and expected to, hasn't wrestled his five (5) yet. - #101 Sund (2W-5L), Air Force - Tech 17-2 - #109 Pettigrew (2W-3L), Illinois - Major 15-2 - #21 Smith (5W-2L), Virginia Tech - Major 11-2 - #19 Stemmet (12W-2L), Stanford - Major 12-3 - #63 Cooley (5W-4L), West Virginia - Major 15-2 - #5 Cardenas (7W-2L), Cornell - Decision 6-3 - #10 Surber (9W-1L), Oklahoma State - Decision 8-4 - #66 Mooberry (5W-3L), North Dakota State - Major 16-2 - #3 Sloan (7W-1L), South Dakota State - Decision 6-5 (LOSS) - #28 Voelker (7W-2L), Northern Iowa - Decision 8-2 - #30 Broderson (4W-3L), Iowa State - Decision 8-3 Then at Big 12s he has the chance, additionaly (potentially), to see... - #3 Sloan, South Dakota State - #7 Buchanan (8W-0L), Oklahoma - Decision 8-3 - #10 Surber, Oklahoma State - #23 Bockman (9W-4L), Utah Valley - Decision 9-3 - #28 Voelker, Northern Iowa - #30 Broderson, Iowa State - #63 Cooley, West Virginia - #66 Mooberry, North Dakota State - #96 Cruz (6W-6L), Northern Colorado - Major 16-2 - #101 Sund, Air Force - #119 Sheeran (3W-4L), Cal Baptist - Major 16-2 - #128 Raddon, Wyoming OR #22 Novak, Wyoming Keep in mind there might be other factors playing other than the Sloan/Smith/Hidlay comparisons to look in to. He is 0W-3L in matches that actually count against Buchanan as well - which he conveniently skipped the dual for to go to the... **drumrooooooollll.......** Cougar Clash. Who did he wrestle there instead? #29 Joles (8W-2L), Minnesota - Decision 4-2 - Other loss was via 11-2 Major to Sloan - Best career win(s) are Marylands Jaron (NOT Jaxon) Smith and Oklahoma State's Doucet last season up at Heavyweight. #36 Nelson (6W-4L), Minnesota - Decision 7-0 - True frosh taking some licks against good competition - Expected four year starter starting next season - Lost to teammates Nagel and Joles as well as UNI's Voelker and Elam #48 Navel (3W-1L), Minnesota - Decision 6-3 - Not the starter for Minny - Best career win is a 4-2 Decision over teammate Gavin Nelson at the same tournament - Hasn't wrestled a full seven minute match against anyone in the Top 50 (aside for the aforementioned Nelson) #148 Mendoza (0W-2L), Little Rock-Arkansas - Pin 2:39 - Not LRA's starter - Up from 184 this year, 3W-7L as NOT the starter last year at for LRA As I said... I see what you're saying... I also see it the other way as well. They are holding that 7-2 Decision loss at NCAAs (which should hold more weight than Cougar's Clash this last weekend should it not?). I don't see how, until now, Teemer had earned his high ranking. He didn't deserve it as he had legitimately lost to Lewan his last out. Now, to me, he has earned that ranking. I haven't had time to delve through all the rankings, however here are what the other ranking services have for them... Flowrestling: #1 - Brooks, Penn State #2 - Hidlay, NC State #3 - Buchanan, Oklahoma #4 - Little, Little Rock-Arkansas #5 - Smith, Maryland #6 - Sloan, South Dakota State #7 - Elam, Missouri Intermat: #1 - Brooks, Penn State #2 - Buchanan, Oklahoma #3 - Elam, Missouri #4 - Hidlay, NC State #5 - Smith, Maryland #6 - Sloan, South Dakota State #7 - Cardenas, Cornell #13 - Little, Little Rock-Arkansas The Open Mat #1 - Brooks, Penn State #2 - Buchanan, Oklahoma #3 - Elam, Missouri #4 - Hidlay, NC State #5 - Beard, Lehigh #6 - Sloan, South Dakota State #7 - Cardenas, Cornell #9 - Smith, Maryland #10 - Little, Little Rock-Arkansas The Wrestling Report #1 - Brooks, Penn State #2 - Buchanan, Oklahoma #3 - Hidlay, NC State #4 - Elam, Missouri #5 - Little, Little Rock-Arkansas #6 - Smith, Maryland #7 - Sloan, South Dakota State Wrestlestat (RATINGS not RANKINGS) #1 - Brooks, Penn State #2 - Hidlay, NC State #3 - Sloan, South Dakota State #4 - Beard, Lehigh #5 - Cardenas, Cornell #6 - Elam, Missouri #7 - Buchanan, Oklahoma #8 - Smith, Maryland #12 - Little, Little Rock-Arkansas

Prettt sure Rocky's last loss is Tanner Sloan at NCAA's last year. Hidlay just won the most difficult in-season tournament in which Sloan failed to earn a spot in the finals. It seems straightforward. Add in that his best win since NCAAs is a Decision (4 - 2) on Minnesota's Joles - who Sloan had beaten via Major (11 - 2) six days prior and I don't think there is any reason to be upset?