Jason Bryant

I mean, the two college women’s championships now (NCWWC and NAIA) go on during the current postseason. I personally think they need to be away from the men’s postseason to maximin exposure. Not that many outlets to actively cover the men’s side as it is, which puts the women’s divisions at a disadvantage even further down the pecking order.

Evans is in my count three times - while there's one collective Team USA, there's the Greco-Roman team and the freestyle team in that era. He wasn't in three quads, though.

Maroulis followed - so they didn’t add her to what I’d announced with Snyder. I’ll go back and check my records for Evans. The 80 guys didn’t participate as we know, but they tend to be the ones who get that “pass” on being an Olympian but never actually competing. There’s instances where there was a team but didn’t compete (like Greco in 1948).

11 men, 1 woman - that's 12. When Snyder won the spot at Trials, he did it before Helen, so I announced he was the 11th. Helen became the first woman, so I said she was the first woman, which is more significant than being the 12th American. Not sure if they're referencing my announcement or Cody Goodwin's story where he wrote about it for USAW. Anyway, here's the answer Bruce Baumgartner (4) Mark Fuller (4) Ben Peterson Bill Kerslake Dan Chandler Dennis Hall Dick Wilson Kenny Monday Tommy Evans Wayne Baughman Kyle Snyder Helen Maroulis

Multiple times ... granted, I'm also at international events on-side 2-3x a year and announcing "challenge on Mat B" so I've seen it easily more than a dozen times in recent years. I would be hard-pressed to cite a specific example though.

International rule changes haven't changed much in over a decade. College/HS rules change more frequently.

Swimming might be cheap to add when you already have a facility, but it’s not a cheap sport to maintain. Numerous ADs have told me they’d rather have a low-maintenance small roster team than a comparable roster size with a pool to manage. As we also know with D1 accounting practices, the math doesn’t always work like it should.

Fargo in like 2010. Raised platform in the round robins, before we went to line bracketing. Colin Shober was on the raised mat wrestling and he got hit with a cutback and when the kid grabbed his ankle, his shin just straight up popped. Audible pop. Bill Zadick and I were watching the match side by side and we both nearly threw up at that moment. Thankfully it wasn't a compound fracture, but one of the ones I just shiver when I think about.

Normal people understand this. Rational people understand this. Wrestling people incessantly complaining about the WWE is a one-way complaint … and a tired one. Calling our guys sell outs and such is more a misnomer and misdirected hostility than anything else - as are the positions people who hate the WWE take when trying to interpret their creative.

One of these things is not like the other. The bitching between pro wrestling and our wrestling is a one-way complaint. We’ve wasted countless hours on that and no one is listening. It’s a way to make a living using your athletic abilities … complaining about pro wrestling is so 1983.

You just ooze positivity with all your posts …

The school’s athletics department is going from D2 to D1. Yes, they have been offering scholarships.

Boo fricking hoo.

But how do you score team points in T&F? That sport is fractured chasing times and you have a team that could be in 3 spots on a given weekend.

Pretty sure it's for outside of the U.S. I'll check on that, though.

Lifetime sport where anyone can pick up a ball and throw it into a hoop (not necessarily well) vs. a combat sport with nuance rules, multiple styles and a sports culture that didn’t grow up competing it it. We can learn some things but ultimately, it’s a tough sell to convert people without prior experience in the sport and we have this habit of turning off our own people to it as well.

I’m unsure. Before I was born.

He transferred to UCLA first, then they dropped the program and he and Mark headed to OU.

At its very basic - we're talking about a college sport here. The OP is about wrestlers who won titles as transfers. So "transferring" in the sense of athletics seems to be the basic framework we're working with on the discussion.

So would graduate transfers not count now too? This isn't hard. Guy starts at one school, ends up at another = transfer.

Not an apples to apples comparison, although to your earlier point, a friend commented on FB about Cornell’s guys who went the TC3 route … are THEY transfers? Were they full time then came to Cornell? That I don’t know. Adds another wrinkle to the semantical discussion.

He was enrolled at a two-year post-secondary institution. He then transferred to a four-year post-secondary institution. That description by every definition is a transfer. “Juco transfer” is the often cited parlance.

Transferred from Lassen Community College.

Until we see Division I de-emphasize conference affiliations across the board, any format that fractures a conference-based structure is a death sentence, IMO. That being said, I like where you're going with it @killdozer, providing balance and logic to the topic - which we know isn't something we always like to apply to the sport.