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Only wrestlers who competed in 2021 were given a free year and those wrestlers are the only ones allowed to wrestle in 5 postseason tournaments. Brennan wrestled in 2020, 2022, 2023, & 2024. That uses his 4 years of eligibility. He didn't compete during 2021, he redshirted, so he didn't get the free year. Even if he did compete during 2021, 2024 would've been his last year of eligibility unless he redshirted in any of 2022, 2023, 2024. He wasn't allowed to wrestle in 2025, but a few people (coaches, little rock compliance/athletic department, PAC 10 conference) messed up his eligibility checks. There is a world where people would just assume that EVERYONE got the free year no matter what if they were enrolled in 2021. Not at that level or this far out though. Hope that makes more sense.
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2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
Pat Milkovich in 1972 Dustin Schlatter in 2006 Other B10 true freshman champs at B10: Mark Hall - 2nd Lincoln McIlravy - 2nd Spencer Lee - 3rd Myles Martin - 3rd -
2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
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Trephan's mid-season transfer didn't get updated. Thanks! -
Who's the oldest wrestler in the tournament?
cowcards replied to Maxwell Smart's topic in College Wrestling
I've only got 10% of the field's bday, but if people want to gather them, I'll add them to my database. 2000 is the oldest year I have right now with: Siebrecht Schultz Steveson Wolak Lovett Hardy Braunagel x2 -
2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
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2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
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2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
- 46 wrestlers transferred this season. - Teams with multiple transfers away from their program: NDSU - 4 Minnesota - 3 Columbia - 3 Old Dominion - 2 Arizona State - 2 NC State - 2 Iowa - 3 Oklahoma - 3 Ohio State - 2 Oklahoma State - 2 Penn State - 2 Michigan - 2 Pitt - 2 Cal Baptist - 2 App State - 2 - Jett Strickenberger is the only former JUCO guy. - 184 guys redshirted as a FR -
2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
Belarus. But not the first, but the only. He also qualified in 2020, 2023, and 2024 -
2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
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2025 NCAA Tournament By The Numbers
cowcards replied to Wrestleknownothing's topic in College Wrestling
I'll just throw in some other data in this thread. For the first time in NCAA D1 history, we have a Brazilian! -
Fixed the 16 seed chart. Trying to do too many things at once and failing at them all. I didn't do my sanity checks before and just slung around data all willy nilly like. Seeds/Place 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 DNP 1 25 11 9 2 3 2 8 15 8 2 6 1 1 2 7 3 9 7 6 9 3 4 4 8 4 4 4 6 10 3 6 2 1 14 5 2 1 4 7 5 7 5 19 6 4 3 3 3 7 4 1 25 7 2 2 1 8 5 6 4 22 8 1 3 4 5 1 6 5 25 9 1 2 4 2 1 3 5 32 10 2 1 1 5 5 3 33 11 1 1 1 1 5 2 3 36 12 3 2 5 40 13 1 2 1 1 6 39 14 1 1 3 3 42 15 1 1 2 2 2 42 16 1 1 3 45 NS 1 2 2 6 3 6 9 821
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Fixed 2019-2024 with 33 seeds, taking out the 2020 canceled tournament: Seeds/Place 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 DNP 1 24 13 7 1 2 1 2 2 10 17 5 4 5 3 1 1 4 3 7 6 6 8 7 5 3 3 5 4 3 2 12 9 3 9 2 2 8 5 4 6 7 5 2 6 2 18 6 2 4 5 5 6 5 5 18 7 1 1 2 10 5 4 5 22 8 3 1 4 4 4 7 2 25 9 1 1 2 3 2 8 4 29 10 2 1 5 1 3 3 7 28 11 1 2 3 1 8 35 12 2 1 2 1 3 41 13 1 2 47 14 2 1 1 1 45 15 1 1 2 1 1 44 16 1 1 48 17 1 2 1 46 18 1 49 19 1 49 20 1 49 21 1 1 48 22 50 23 1 49 24 50 25 1 1 48 26 1 1 2 46 27 1 49 28 1 49 29 50 30 50 31 50 32 50 33 1 47
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Correct. Let me fix that.
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They are more likely to place. DNP is higher because there are a lot more spots (9-33) to land in all grouped together. It looks a little misleading.
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I'd assume it isn't filtered down to just qualifiers because it was used to determine at-large too. You needed those guys in there to be able to do the full comparisons. Really, they should have a coaches and RPI for both before after all the qualifiers are known. One helps determines them all. One helps seed them all.
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I can tell you the answer without having the data is the regular season is a much better predictor of future performance than the conference tournament. Post-season tournaments are way more subject to randomness and chance. It's why #1 seeds are way more likely to place 1st than not place at all and a top-8 seeded wrestler is more likely to place than the 9th-33rd wrestlers in the bracket. Conference tournaments are qualifiers for guys that didn't have the best regular season, but you can get into the tournament without even placing at conference. I'd argue you actually earn your qualification through the regular season, unless you haven't had a good enough regular season, including match limits and whatnot. NCAA tournaments results is what matters most, but everything up to that, including conference, is data for seeding purposes. In the infinite realm of possibilities, what happens if a guy that didn't earn an allocation spot, wins each of the conference tournaments? Does one of those guys get the #1 seed? What about seeds 2-8? There are 8 conference tournaments. Should a guy get the #2 seed if he didn't win a conference, unless he lost to the #1 seed?
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Since the beginning of ncaa wrestling time
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Since seeding is such a big topic around here the last couple days, figured I would give you guys this chart that shows the count of how many times a seed has finished in each place (or not placed) for D1. *Note-This isn't perfect as there are years where I don't have all the seeds. Left column is the seed (blue) and top column is the place (orange). NS=No Seed & DNP = Did Not Place Seed/Place 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 DNP 1 406 143 97 39 25 10 10 1 63 2 164 236 99 76 40 20 9 6 135 3 72 137 139 105 60 49 26 7 191 4 49 65 122 110 69 61 27 15 255 5 21 33 79 73 70 58 43 14 291 6 24 43 57 54 62 61 32 21 332 7 3 25 22 34 54 45 45 35 301 8 11 12 16 27 41 34 56 35 330 9 3 6 15 18 26 26 36 38 318 10 1 7 6 25 21 31 29 28 335 11 1 4 6 13 18 22 20 43 329 12 1 1 6 9 8 16 18 37 355 13 1 2 1 2 3 6 131 14 1 1 2 5 1 4 131 15 2 1 1 2 5 6 3 125 16 1 1 4 131 17 2 2 1 56 18 1 59 19 1 59 20 1 59 21 1 1 58 22 60 23 1 59 24 60 25 1 1 58 26 1 1 2 56 27 1 59 28 1 59 29 60 30 60 31 60 32 60 33 1 57 NS 132 174 221 207 115 164 84 142 14225
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In D2, Felician had their first 2 qualifiers as a program.
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They are not. The Schreiner dude wrestled in TX/OK
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An interesting story i came across in D3: Zach Beckner of Ferrum qualified for his 2nd straight and 3rd overall D3 tournament. Not super interesting. What is? The 1st one he qualified for was way back in 2017 where he was a National Finalist. From what I can gather, he left school after that until re-enrolling in 2023. Maybe just as interesting, he wasn't even going to wrestle in 2016 either! He had committed to Virginia Tech out of HS, but decided he didn't want to wrestle anymore, and enrolled in a community college without wrestling. One contact led to him transferring at semester to wrestle the 2nd half of the season.
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Historically, are the guys do better at nationals the ones that have had a better season of work or the ones that had a better conference weekend of work?
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Did Endene actually enroll and attend classes at Wisconsin? ------- The other D1 schools that I'm tracking have former wrestlers at D3 nationals: Matthew Kelly - Binghamton Logan Flynn - Bloomsburg Jacob Blair - Bloomsburg Nolen Zeigler - Bloomsburg Jake Eckerle - Buffalo Sam Kotch - F&M Carson Martinson - Iowa Kaiden Wagner - Lock Haven Garrett Totten - Navy Eddie Simes - NDSU Tanner Gerber - NDSU Alden Smith - Northern Illinois Dylan Harr - Pitt Nate Camisciolli - Purdue Jacob Venezia - Sacred Heart Austin Cooley - SIUE Benyamin Kamali - Virginia
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Tyler Brennan - 5 Post Seasons not counting COVID year (2021)
cowcards replied to Gus's topic in College Wrestling
I'd bet it's something along the lines of "I would've used it, but _____ happened and I couldn't. I should get a 5th year too just like everyone else." -
I don't disagree with you at all. The tougher the schedule, the more leniency you should get. I, personally, wish Hardy would get the 1 seed because of the schedule he wrestled. I don't think he will with the current seeding criteria. I would institute something where, when comparing two wrestlers, you look at the same number of ranked matches and drop any losses for the wrestler who wrestled more of them. I'm sure that was confusing, so let's look at Hardy and Bartlett. Bartlett has 4 matches with a 3-1 record against top-10 guys. Hardy has 8 matches and is 5-3. Hardy is then able to throw out up to 4 matches, not including h2h, to equal Bartlett. Of course, he would only want to throw out the 2 losses to make his record 5-1 against top-10, with the single loss to Bartlett. That's a resume I would say should be seeded #1.