Jimmy Cinnabon

That's the thing though. Given Haines' position and Robb's control of him, giving him 2-3 seconds to "react" wouldn't have changed anything. There was nothing Haines could have done from that position to avoid the TD. Imagine if the same sequence happens but they land in the middle of the mat instead. Can you imagine that situation not ending in a TD for Robb? If your answer is "well, but his feet would be in bounds in the center" that's irrelevant as Robb's feet stayed in bounds during the actual sequence too.

Don't forget Kaleb Young, another PA guy who competed well for Iowa

Just answer the question directly please. It sounds like you are saying you would call no take down in this hypo where Robb has both ankles and Haines falls directly on his butt with 0:01 on the clock.

I didn't say you said that. I am offering another example to show how absurd the result can be if you always require reaction time. In my hypo, according to you, you would say no TD because he didn't get time to react?

Ok, so let's say with 3 seconds left Robb shoots and has both of Haines' knees or ankles. Haines fall backward and at 0:01 left his butt hits the mat. Robb is hugging both legs and Haines is sitting up. Are you claiming this is no TD because you have to give Haines time to react?

Not better than Woods...who's gonna win a 'ship

Even noted PSU homer Willie thinks this was a clear TD

See Nagao vs RBY. He was down 5 and threw double boots for the remainder of the third period. I guess he did manage to get a riding time point...

what about defensive chest wraps? The move is done solely to force a stalemate.

I previously proposed that touching the ankles should not be allowed period when on top (including when you are on top from neutral defending a shot) and people thought the idea absurd.

That is a bit of an overstatement. It will be a close battle and Penn State very well could end up in 2nd.

Altons, Gulibon

Shakur Rasheed

Matt Brown

Mark Hall

They both got As. That’s just a dash. Steen was a 2x PIAA champ. I’d expect him to beat Lujan at least since he beat him early this season. 0-3 BBQ was not his reasonable expectation.

Video / slow motion >>> screenshots Your screenshot is like posting a screenshot of a NFL receiver out of bounds after he dragged his toes in bounds. It doesn't disprove it was a catch because it shows what happens after the crucial point in the play.

Did you watch the match again including the 2 slow motion replays at different angles? I am a Penn State fan but even I can admit that was a clear 2 for Robb.

Yes that clip happens a second after the screenshots I posted. Robb already had control and in bounds.

Watch the clip. That does not happen. Robb's feet literally are dragging on the mat the entire time from the beginning.

Other angle:

You are claiming Robb's body went totally out of bounds and then he stuck his feet back in after?

Yes, but he's still a transfer. I didn't intend for this to only count wrestlers who transferred this season.

Who is the Most Valuable Transfer this year? I think Real Woods has to be #1. He's a bonus point machine, almost as dominant as Spencer, and has 50/50 shot at winning a title this year at 141. Iowa has been on fire with the transfers as of late. Second best is probably Michael Beard, who I see making the finals at 197 for Lehigh. Third best is Greg Kerkvliet who I see taking 2nd or 3rd at HWT for Penn State.

I'll bet that Lee wins his 4th easily