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Since we’re on the subject of Askren, I’m basically an NCAA champ by proxy. My junior year in high school, I beat a kid who took down Shawn Silvis back in the day, and Silvis, as a college senior, punked freshman Askren at some open tournament. So, by the glorious transitive law of mat supremacy, me, the 20 dudes who flattened me in high school, and my sister, who laid me out cold before I hit double digits, are all strutting around.

2006 Ben Askren The 174-pounder finished the season 45-0 with an impressive 25 pins. Of the other 20 wins, Askren had nine technical falls, five majors, an injury default and a forfeit, leaving only four bouts in which he failed to score bonus points. 45-0 25 Pins 9 Technical Falls 5 Majors Injury Default Forfeit 4 wins by decision https://www.win-magazine.com/win-awards/hodge-trophy/ben-askren-2006-2007-hodge-trophy-winner/ 2007 Ben Askren Reported 42-0 29 Pins (23 first period) - 69% Confirmed 34-0 24 Falls by Pin (70%) 2 Technical Falls 4 Major Decisions 4 Decisions (12%) Unaccounted: 6 early (Nov 5-15, 2006); 2 late (Feb 15 - Mar 17, 2007) Black & Gold Scrimmage on November 5, 2006 doesn't count Tech Fall vs. teammate Joey Garrity (BLACK), 21-5 (4:09) Missing 6 matches between Nov 5th scrimmage and Nov 16th dual Missed February 14, 2007: vs. Old Dominion, recovering from the flu Somehow record goes from Missouri formal recording of 32 wins after the February 11, 2007: vs. #3 Iowa State dual to 42 wins after the Big 12s (2 matches) and NCAAs (6 matches) Matches that count November 16, 2006: vs. #10 Ohio State, Columbus, Ohio Tech Fall vs. #12 Blake Maurer (OSU), 23-8 — Season: 7-0, Career: 118-8 November 19, 2006: Missouri Open, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Jeff James (Oklahoma-UN), 3:21 Fall vs. Lloyd Rogers (Tennessee-Chattanooga), 2:40 Fall vs. Mike Jackson (Indiana), 2:52 — Season: 10-0, Career: 121-8 December 1-2, 2006: Cliff Keen Las Vegas Invitational, Las Vegas, Nev. Fall vs. Casey Roberts (Nebraska), 1:35 Fall vs. Luke Feist (Stanford), 2:48 Fall vs. #24 Jeremy Larson (Oregon State), 2:07 Fall vs. #10 Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh), 2:16 Fall vs. #4 Matt Herrington (Pennsylvania), 0:46 — Season: 15-0, Career: 126-8 December 9, 2006: vs. #11 Central Michigan, Mount Pleasant, Mich. Fall vs. #6 Brandon Sinnott (Central Michigan), 2:56 — Season: 16-0, Career: 127-8 December 10, 2006: vs. #14 Michigan State, East Lansing, Mich. Fall vs. John Murphy (Michigan State), 1:18 — Season: 17-0, Career: 128-8 December 21, 2006: vs. #24 Pittsburgh, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. #2 Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh), 2:34 — Season: 18-0, Career: 129-8 December 29-30, 2006: Southern Scuffle, Greensboro, N.C. Fall vs. Steve Ratley (Virginia Tech), 1:26 Fall vs. Marcus Boyd (Davidson), 1:00 Fall vs. Neal Martin (Appalachian State), 1:48 Fall vs. #16 Mike Letts (Maryland), 2:51 Fall vs. #9 Matt Stolpinski (Navy), 1:14 — Season: 23-0, Career: 134-8 January 13, 2007: vs. #14 Penn (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Fall vs. #7 Matt Herrington (Penn), 0:39 — Season: 24-0, Career: 135-8 January 13, 2007: vs. #8 Northwestern (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Major Decision vs. #15 Nick Hayes (Northwestern), 14-6 — Season: 25-0, Career: 136-8 January 14, 2007: vs. #4 Oklahoma State (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Fall vs. #16 Brandon Mason (Oklahoma State), 1:16 — Season: 26-0, Career: 137-8 January 14, 2007: vs. #2 Minnesota (NWCA/Cliff Keen National Duals), Cedar Falls, Iowa Decision vs. #2 Roger Kisch (Minnesota, at 184 lbs), 5-4 — Season: 27-0, Career: 138-8 January 28, 2007: vs. #20 Nebraska (Big 12), Columbia, Mo. Major Decision vs. Marc Harwood (Nebraska), 20-9 — Season: 28-0, Career: 139-8 February 3, 2007: vs. #4 Oklahoma State (Big 12), Stillwater, Okla. Decision vs. #16 Brandon Mason (Oklahoma State), 9-6 — Season: 29-0, Career: 140-8 February 4, 2007: vs. #13 Oklahoma (Big 12), Norman, Okla. Major Decision vs. Josh Weitzel (Oklahoma), 12-3 — Season: 30-0, Career: 141-8 February 9, 2007: vs. Northern Iowa, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Alex Dolly (Northern Iowa), 3:25 — Season: 31-0, Career: 142-8 February 11, 2007: vs. #3 Iowa State (Big 12), Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Grant Turner (Iowa State), 1:08 — Season: 32-0, Career: 143-8 March 3, 2007: Big 12 Championships, Columbia, Mo. Fall vs. Grant Turner (Iowa State), 1:47 Major Decision vs. Brandon Mason (Oklahoma State), 13-4 — Season: 34-0, Career: 145-8 March 15-17, 2007: NCAA Championships, Auburn Hills, Mich. Tech Fall vs. Daniel Burk (Northern Illinois), 19-4 (7:00) Fall vs. Lloyd Rogers (Tennessee-Chattanooga), 2:54 Fall vs. Gabriel Dretsch (Minnesota), 4:51 Fall vs. Matt Palmer (Columbia), 4:42 Decision vs. Eric Luedke (Iowa), 8-3 Decision vs. Keith Gavin (Pittsburgh), 8-2 — Season: 42-0, Career: 151-8 Mostly taken from https://mutigers.com/sports/wrestling/schedule/2006-07 ------- https://old.intermatwrestle.com/articles/2661 During Askren's career, he compiled a 153-8 record with 91 pins. That included a 42-0 mark in 2006-07 when the Tiger senior flattened 29 opponents. His 69 percent pinning percentage was even higher than the 55 percent of pins he collected (25 of 45) as a junior. So who does Askren - who credits his former Arrowhead High School coach John Mesenbrink for his "go for the kill" attitude... https://www.themat.com/news/2007/may/15/brian-smith--cody-gardner--ben-16673

I was looking at this recently for the PSU discussion, and found it difficult to account for only utilizing matches against D1 wrestlers. You likely already have encountered this discrepancy between some of your scores against formal NCAA scores. I'll see if I can find anything for your requests...

Which wrestler has achieved multiple podium finishes in Greco-Roman at the senior-level World Championships or Olympics, yet never placed among the top finishers in NCAA Division I Folkstyle wrestling?

Who is the most recent wrestler to have made the team at the senior level for both Greco-Roman and freestyle wrestling at either the World Championships or the Olympics, without ever winning an NCAA Division I championship?

Who was a runner-up at the senior level in both Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling at either the World Championships or the Olympics, and never won an NCAA Division I championship?

The now portion is hyperbole. I also said that the new story needs validation. As for the 20 year hypothesis; explain a different and more plausible reason. It is the simplest answer.

Because he scored more points than those with more titles, helping his team! There are different ways to define best.

@MedicineMan inspires...

Every returning National Champion.

My immediate theory about the blue wave from Biden’s immigration policy was that the next generation of illegals would turn the country Democrat forever. I couldn't fathom any other practical reason. Give it 20 years, and all those birthright babies, plus their families getting voting rights, would stack the deck. I was off by 20 years. There is a claim that SSNs for non citizens went up 2M during Biden's term, and confirmations that some voted. (this begs for validation... it doesn't clearly mention 'Federal' but its occurred before: https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/19-aliens-charged-voter-fraud-north-carolina-following-ice-investigation)

The Hodge was specifically created to bring the Heisman-like award to wrestling. Mike Chapman wrote in a W.I.N. Magazine piece celebrating 20 years of the Hodge, “We wanted to give wrestling its own Heisman Trophy, something to honor the best of the best.”

22% compared to 10.5% baseline. (2.1x) - Carter 48% compared to 21.0% baseline. (2.3x) - Wyatt Hendrickson still comes out on top. It is interesting that Heavyweights have won the majority of the Hodges (twice the amount of other individual weights). There is a shallower depth and athleticism. As a counter, the heavyweights would consistently dominate the best of the lighter weights... Wyatt would dominate Carter.

That's cool, and... a lot of work. How will you handle the smaller bracket sizes of the past? Just take the later rounds of the recent era to shrink it down?

Economists don’t universally agree on much.

Love this result. This season, not career!

My portfolio swung from a year’s salary gained (as of Jan 23) to a year’s salary lost (as of today). For the long-term prosperity, we need leaner, smarter governance. That’s what he’s attempting to deliver. Short term pain is worth it...

A real champ uses 'State' rather than 'States.' They use 'Pin' in casual conversation while using 'Fall' to document formal results. 'Pinfall' is for the self-righteous zealots sipping Michelob Ultra from wine glasses. Contrarians are holding the wine glass... pinkies up...

@cowcards - Will you update https://wrestling.guru/college-men/ncaa-d1/ncaa-d1-database/? @Wrestleknownothing - What points do you have for David Taylor in 2011? Was it 18.5? That would give Taylor *100, which is indeed higher than Nolf. *30.5 rather than 29.5 in 2012.

Taylor had 30.5. 31 was possible when the NCAA gave a point for a win after a bye. Match-by-Match Breakdown Round 1: Bye Advancement: 1 point (awarded when he wins his next match after the bye). Bonus: 0 points. Total: 1 point (deferred to Round 2 win). Round 2 vs. Corey Lear (Bucknell): Result: Pin at 1:40. Advancement: 1 point (win) + 1 point (bye advancement from Round 1 credited here). Bonus: 2 points (fall). Total: 4 points. Round 3 vs. Brandon Wright (Chattanooga): Result: Pin at 1:52. Advancement: 1 point. Bonus: 2 points (fall). Total: 3 points. Quarterfinals vs. Robert Kokesh (Nebraska): Result: Pin at 0:30. Advancement: 1 point. Bonus: 2 points (fall). Total: 3 points. Semifinals vs. Bekzod Abdurakhmonov (Clarion): Result: Pin at 4:44. Advancement: 1 point. Bonus: 2 points (fall). Total: 3 points. Finals vs. Brandon Hatchett (Lehigh): Result: Technical fall, 22-7 at 5:56. Advancement: 0 points (finals covered by placement). Placement: 16 points (1st place). Bonus: 1.5 points (technical fall). Total: 17.5 points. Total Points Calculation Advancement Points: 1 (bye + Round 2 win) + 1 (Round 2 win) + 1 (Round 3) + 1 (Quarterfinals) + 1 (Semifinals) = 5 points. Placement Points: 16 points (1st place). Bonus Points: 2 (Round 2 fall) + 2 (Round 3 fall) + 2 (Quarterfinals fall) + 2 (Semifinals fall) + 1.5 (Finals TF-1.5) = 9.5 points. Grand Total: 5 + 16 + 9.5 = 30.5 points.

Did Mason Manville make the World Team in Greco before he started attending PSU?

Keep buying.

I support the man in the arena... over the bystander and conformists.

Research... Jason Nolf scored the most points across four NCAA tournaments. (98) Ed Ruth with most NCAA tournament wins (21) Ed Ruth with most wins in a career (136) Ed Ruth and David Taylor with most wins in a season (38) David Taylor scored the most points in a single NCAA tournament. (30.5) David Taylor with the most Gorriaran awards (2) David Taylor with the most Outstanding Wrestler awards (2) David Taylor with best senior level success (Olympic Champion) Zain Retherford had the season with the highest domination score (5.56) Zain Retherford had the highest bonus rate over his career. Zain Retherford with the most dominant season awards (3) David Taylor and Zain Retherford with the most Hodge awards (2) Aaron Brooks and Carter Starocchi with the most titles over four seasons (4) Carter Starocchi with the most titles (5) Bo Nickal with the most pins in a season (18) Bo Nickal with the highest pin percentage in a season (58% - 18 pins in 31 matches) Bo Nickal with the highest pin percentage in a career (48% - 59 pins in 123 matches) Mitchell Mesenbrink with the most technical falls in a season (18) Mitchell Mesenbrink with the highest technical fall percentage in a season (67% - 18 TF in 27 matches) Mitchell Mesenbrink with the highest technical fall percentage in a career (51% - 27 TF in 53 matches) In 2012, David Taylor was the first Penn State wrestler in 21 years to claim the Most Outstanding Wrestler Award. Cael and David kicked off the dominant PSU run. Best College Wrestler: Zain Retherford takes the title. His 5.56 peak domination score (highest), 3 Most Dominant Awards (most), 3 NCAA titles, 2 Hodge Trophies, and 94-0 finish over three years reflect unmatched consistency and dominance. David Taylor’s 30.5-point tournament, 2 MOW Awards, and 2 Gorriaran Awards are impressive, but his 2 titles and lower bonus rate place him behind. One more title and David's legacy puts him into first place for college. Carter Starocci’s 5 titles and total NCAA points are strong, but his lack of Hodge/MOW awards and lower bonus rate degrade his case. Nolf’s 98 NCAA points and Ruth’s win totals are notable... Best PSU Wrestler Overall: David Taylor. His Olympic gold, World titles, and unparalleled senior-level success, paired with a stellar college career (30.5-point NCAA tournament, career points, 2 Hodge Trophies, 2 MOW Awards), make him the clear choice. Zain Retherford’s college dominance is unmatched, but his senior-level career (1 World title, no Olympic medal) doesn’t compete with Taylor’s. Aaron Brooks’ Olympic bronze is promising, but he’s early in his senior-level career compared to Taylor's legacy.

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