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Yes, I was focusing more on the NIL element, though. Which I think was the motivator in these cases. Also, while many grads take the opportunity to move on, not all do, and it certainly is not a requirement.

Agreed. PSU really has the logjam problem. But the far more interesting ones would be starters getting pried loose with the pay day.

There is an absolute whack job on the Rutgers board who claims to be Tony Surage, two-time AA for Rutgers in the 80's, saying that Rutgers will get 2-4 PSU guys and 1-2 Iowa guys this off season who are "Suriano level guys", or something like that. There is also another guy on the board who claims the first guy has a long history of BS and problematic posts. The guy claiming to be Surage is currently going after Shayne Van Ness and his father for perceived lack of loyalty to Rutgers. So there is that too.

As soon as I hit send, I thought that might be the response. But a case can be made that if ASU had Parco and Teemer to go along with Figueroa, they would be a top 5 team. Who else, beside PSU, would have three guys with a realistic shot at the finals?

The non-profit owns a for-profit entity. Altman works for the for-profit entity, not the non-profit. Yeah, when everyone threatened to quit and the board of the non-profit was threatened with having their asset decrease in value, things changed. We have a President how got reinstated after being caught in untold lies, why do we care what a private company does? No idea about the sister. The more interesting thing to me is this is some high level rich guy trolling. Musk's bid is not all that serious. It is just designed to make it very expensive, and therefore very hard, for the for-profit entity to buy itself from the non-profit entity. This while Musk is also suing to prevent the transaction. Good stuff.

Haven't we already seen it with Iowa bringing in Buchanan, Parco, and Teemer this year? All three have been rumored to have gotten large payments. And all three have been ranked #1, or #2 at some point this season. Not quite the same with Oklahoma State bringing in Hamiti and Hendrickson, but both are title contender types (or at least before Steveson came back). It seems the big buyers at the moment are Oklahoma State and Iowa. Michigan has been there before, and may return. But The Cowboys and Hawkeyes have known deep pocketed supporters of wrestling. So for me the question boils down to whether one of those two (maybe three) can knock someone loose from Penn State, Ohio State, or each other? I would not say it is impossible. If the money is right, any one of the big 3-5 programs should expect to get poached.

A champ with no bonus scores 20, 16 placement points and 4 advancement points. Eighth place is worth 3 placement points. On the back side advancement points are 0.5 per match. To get to the eighth place match after losing the first requires 4 straight wins. There are no advancement points in the final matches (1st, 3rd, 5, 7th). So Team A has 20 Team B scores (3+ (4*0.5))*10 = 50

That was the conservative estimate. Using Flo rankings the chances are 13.4%.

The Race For The Podium ...Just got a little more interesting. Based on the newest set of Intermat rankings Iowa's room for error is slipping away. After a tough couple of weeks Iowa's expected lead over Oklahoma State has shrunk from ~23 points on Jan. 21 to the current ~7 points. Intermat has Iowa wrestlers ranked lower than Flo at 5 of the 10 weights (125, 133, 157, 174, and 184). The most consequential from an expected points perspective is Patrick Kennedy at 174. Flo slots Kennedy in at #7 while Intermat has him at #11. Meanwhile Minnesota, Nebraska, Ohio State, Northern Iowa, and Virginia Tech are just too close to call for the fourth, and final, spot. Of course, I am cherry picking a bit. Flo and Wrestlestat each have it at about a 15 point lead for Iowa over Oklahoma State. A Perfect 10? Meanwhile, in Penn State news (because I know there has been a real lack of coverage of these plucky upstarts), their odds of matching 2007 Minnesota with 10 AA's keeps creeping higher. It now stands at 11.8%.

Every now and again I will check into one these threads to see if the usual level of dumb is being maintained. It is.

Altman trolling Musk now

The whole "our transfers are virtuous, yours are an indictment" thing is so tired

If that were true they would not move down in the rankings once results are factored in. Cornell and Missouri are doing more with less. I think the fair way to characterize it is that Iowa is making up for recruiting deficiencies with strong transfers. There is more than

There weren't nearly enough. I cut the tables off at a minimum of 2 in the category.

And for completishness, here are the 21 - 40

Correct. Heil was #15, so he is in this group: Dieringer would have been in the 2012 class.

I have spent some time cleaning up the Big Board data @Husker_Du so kindly shared. Who knew Shakur Rasheed was Corey Rasheed in high school? I am sure some of you did, but I didn't. I also updated the results to include the 2023 class and the 2024 results. Last time around I pulled data from Flo, but this time it is just the Real Big Board data from Willie. So there will be some differences based on that. For this round I am focusing on the Top 10 recruits. Like Jesse James with banks, that is where the money is. The Top 10 only produced 39% of the AAs in the sample, but they produced 77% of the Champions. So, it seemed like they should be their own category. The next 10 (11 - 20) produced 18% of the AAs and 16% of the champions. That seemed like their own bucket too. The next 20 (21 - 40) produced 19% of the AAs and that gets us to 76% and that is enough. As suspected, Penn State and Ohio State dominate the Top 10 recruits with 18 each. If you were to rank the recruiting classes without knowing what the results would be for the whole 11 years, it would probably look like this. A tie between Ohio State and Penn State with Oklahoma State a little way back, and Iowa/Michigan a long way back. If you re-rank those classes based on results, I think it would look like this. Penn State runs away with it. While Penn State and Ohio State each had 18 Top 10 recruits in 11 years, the Penn State recruits produced a whopping 33 trips to the finals and 25 total individual titles. Bo Nickal was right. That's what they do. Oklahoma State drops from #3 to #7 once you see the results. While their 12 Top 10 recruits produced 16 AA's, they only had 1 title out of 6 finalists. Iowa also slips a spot from #4 to #5 as their 7 recruits produced 6 trips to the finals with 3 titles. Michigan drops from #5 to #10 having gotten only 9 AAs and 1 title from their 7 Top 10 recruits. Meanwhile Missouri and Cornell did more with less. Missouri moves up from #12 to #4 once you factor in their 5 titles from 5 trips to the finals with only 3 Top 10 recruits. Cornell jumps from #7 to #3 on the strength of their 6 titles from 6 finals with 5 top 10 recruits. Arizona State hangs in there at #6 in both the before and after rankings.

No one else is curious why they don't wrestle 285?

You don't know what that word means.

Starocci was 0-1

That looks more like he re-split the place he split the other night, than concussion to me.

Maryland scored 10 team points without recording a single takedown. Wild.

Maybe on all of that. Maybe he should not have gotten the chance. Maybr John Smith shouldn't have asked his wrestlers to cut so much weight. Maybe Rogers would have done better. But Joe Smith did win the wrestle off.

A little fast and loose. Joe Smith won the wrestle off with Chandler Rogers.