On 9/1/2023 at 4:13 PM, ugarles said:

haha no way man. the wrestling forum's off-topic subforum is no place for an atheist brooklyn socialist. let's just talk about wrestling.

Never realized Bernie Sanders is a wrestling fan

Haven't we done this topic a Gazillion times?  

2 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

You all realize Cael is Mormon, right? And almost all of the wrestlers he coached are an entirely different religion than he is (only exception I can think of is Matt Brown). So he is clearly not promoting his own religion. Gus nailed it… he simply creates that atmosphere for his athletes and it clearly helps to believe in something bigger than yourself.

Never met a wrestler who didn't wish that with the strength of the blood of Christ Cael would wrestle the Mohammed out of Ali

In March, the six-session attendance total dipped to 95,295, the lowest figure for the tournament in nine years, with the exception of 2021 when attendance was capped due to the COVID-19 pandemic. 

Maybe don't have the finals in a location that is inconvenient to get to?  A layover plus a 1 1/2 hour drive from Oklahoma City, and limited activities outside the arena doesn't get one too excited 

3 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Exactly.  Here is a clip of Cael showing that identity is not at all tied to results on the mat.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/5848636-furious-cael-sanderson-throws-cube-towel-and-chair-and-is-ejected-from-world-team-trials

Cael was demonstrating what has been preached in the gospel

Matthew 21:12-13

Jesus at the Temple

12 Jesus entered the temple mats and drove out all who were scoring and reffing there. He overturned the tables of the scorers table and the benches of those selling match points. 13 “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of wrestling,’[a] but you are making it ‘a den of boxing promoters.’[b]

13 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

May I refer you to the official website of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with the article "Joseph Smith saw the Prophet Saw God and Jesus in First Vision"

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today numbers more than 14 million. Latter-day Saints revere Joseph Smith as a prophet, just as they revere biblical prophets such as Moses and Isaiah."

So luckily you and I agree that it's a poophole loophole. No false commonwealth prophets!

I am not familiar with the official stance of the Latter-day Saints.  I'm only referencing what was agreed upon at the Council of Porta John New King James

2 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

Loophole: Joseph Smith was just a man. But also a prophet. But also no false prophets. 

Joseph Smith is not a prophet.  Technically he's "Prophet Related".  See below for clarification

The designation establishes the proohet as an "instrumentality of the Lord Jesus Christ"[1] and provides each Prophet with annual, non-preferred[2] financial appropriations in exchange offering spiritual discounts to parishoners who are residents of the planet earth and a minority state-representation on each churches board of trustees. Legally, the Prophet remains separate and a private entity operating under their own charters, governed by independent boards of councils and with assets under their own ownership and control, thereby retaining much of the freedom and individuality of private congregations both administratively and spiritually."

1 hour ago, jackwebster said:

You know, we are all aleays already dead? This faith also emphasizes just how insignificant wrestling is in the grand scheme of things 

Visualizin' the realism of life in actuality

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

Where are you seeing this?

your man Mineo is saying he'd only return to Minnesota because that's where the WWE training center is

Update on the Sasso incident.  Two teenagers arrested.  

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/columbus/two-teenagers-arrested-in-connection-to-shooting-of-ohio-state-wrestler/

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

yeah but still ... there's a chance

Through discovery I've collected

Vak v. Social Sec. Admin, 753 F.2d 1076 (7th Cir. 1984)

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

Vak is now a Constutional lawyer?  Some day we may be able to say we rubbed shoulders (er electrons) with a Surpreme.  

I never said Constitutional Lawyer.  I said Resident Lawyer as in he is our Resident Intermat Forum Lawyer.  It's pro bono work but it's fulfilling 

1 minute ago, 1032004 said:

He can even “promote” Jesus and/or Joseph Smith?

@VakAttack is our resident lawyer so he would probably know better but from my understanding no he cannot promote Jesus or Joseph Smith

38 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

State-related?

Does that impact their requirement to abide by separation of Church and state?

Although I suppose Cael may also be in the clear anyway if he only talks about “faith” and not Jesus or any specific religion.

Cael is allowed to talk about Jesus & Joesph Smith.  It's protected under his constitutional right.  He's not allowed discriminate wrestlers who are not religious or to force religious practice i.e prayer, going to church, drink the blood of christ

1 hour ago, ugarles said:

i can't tell if i took the bait here. goddamit. i really have no idea.

Lol.  Not at all.  Penn State is a "state related" school but not a state school.  

56 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

but seems odd for a coach at a state school.

Penn State is not a state school and I might not be religious myself but I don't see any harm in what Cael is doing in terms of connecting with his wrestlers through "faith" even if it seems foreign to me

@Idaho 9am est 8/28/2023

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Yes he was who I brought up earlier, but part of PortaJohn's response was he never actually played in a game.   But I was assuming there haven't been more than a few particularly in the last 30 years or so that have.  Which maybe that's part of his point, but not sure when we're defining as "the old days."

@Wrestleknownothing or @Jason Bryant might have the stats or easier access to them but just from general knowledge there were a few D1 wrestlers in the NFL in the late 60s to 70s.  A few less in the 80s into the 90s. And there are currently none that I know of.  We live in an era where premier athletes devote themselves to one sport.  It's even becoming more prevalent at the high school level let alone college.

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

Correct but I believe there was talk of him going up to 174 for his senior year right? This will be Mocco's last year.

Correct, Askren on FRL made it seem like a foregone conclusion he'll finish his career at 174 and already would've done it if Mocco wasn't in the picture

5 hours ago, 1032004 said:

How many D1 wrestlers in history have actually played in an NFL game besides Neal and Hasselrig?

More common back in the day 60's & 70's but since 2000 the only other player I can think of that had success in both was Antonio Garay

8 hours ago, HarryConnickJr said:

Kueter hasn’t played an official down for Iowa football yet. Cool it with the draft BS

FIFY...Kueter hasn’t wrestled an official match for Iowa wrestling yet. Cool it with the multi sport BS

12 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Referring to Josh Hokit, wrestling All American and former NFL practice squad member for multiple years

Hokit was un drafted and cut from rosters.  Kueter is a 4 star recruit and has a solid chance at getting drafted.  Hokit wasn't even a starter his senior year in college for Fresno State

10 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Not in the Mountain West Conference though?

Is that a ski convention?  Powder in Utah is the best by the way

9 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Would this prevent him from wrestling this season?

2 minutes ago, wrestlingest2010 said:

So he's going to be a good sized heavy? He's planning to wrestle and this year is as good of an opportunity as any. 

Yes, this year would be his best opportunity to wrestle.  But, if he shows any sign of being draft eligible he's not going to have a career in wrestling.  Its not the old days.  College football at a school in a power 5 conference is a full year commitment.  

4 minutes ago, wrestlingest2010 said:

I imagine Kueter will go at 285. Unless the long shot scenario that AJ is in by January and wants to go heavyweight happens (I sincerely doubt it) 

Swafford at 184 makes sense, sending Arnold out at 184 as a true freshman is setting him up to fail definitely. 

Other than that, it's not ideal to lose Nelson but PK and Caliendo at 165/174 isn't a bad combination. Both I can see AAing at their weights. Caliendo/Nelson is much better (as Nelson is a proven Top 5 guy) but it could be worse. Assad loss hurts since he is definitely a fringe AA in that field and they don't have a good replacement. 

This is a broken record on Kueter.  He is already up around 230 pounds and the football strength and conditioning coaches are targeting to get him to fill out around 240-245 this year.  Unless he's a dud in football and quits don't expect him to be the next "great" for the Hawkeye wrestling program