Jax #1 Seed

[Kov88]

11 minutes ago, ionel said:

Who did Davino & Blaze beat? 

Off the top of my head Davino beat Drake x 2, VanDee x 2, Blaze and lost to him in TB, Fugitt, Frost, Boarman….. all quality wins

[boconnell]

3 minutes ago, Kov88 said:

Off the top of my head Davino beat Drake x 2, VanDee x 2, Blaze and lost to him in TB, Fugitt, Frost, Boarman….. all quality wins

So Davino beat the 3,6,13,16,24 and lost to 3

Jax beat the 4,5,6,20 and lost to nobody.  

I guess coaches rank took margin of victory and eye test heavily into account.  I don't think margin of victory is a good measure for predicting the future.  But it looks like the Jax vs Ayala match followed by Ayala at Big Ten had a big impact.  Plus the Seidel and Larkin wins.  I think Jax could have been 1, 2, or 3 without the committee getting anything wrong.

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, Kov88 said:

Off the top of my head Davino beat Drake x 2, VanDee x 2, Blaze and lost to him in TB, Fugitt, Frost, Boarman….. all quality wins

Don't know the algorithm but Jax beat the 4, 5 & 6 seeds, two of them total domination.  The 1 seed didn't wrestle the 2 or 3 but the 2 & 3 didn't wrestle the 4 or 5 and both had losses to each other.  

[jajensen09]

Why even wrestle in the early season at this point. Especially in the B1G. Wrestle your redshirts early in the year and just go hard for a couple months with your veterans 

Edited March 12 by jajensen09

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, jajensen09 said:

Why even wrestle in the early season at this point. Especially in the B1G. Wrestle your redshirts early in the year and just go hard for a couple months with your veterans 

Isn't that kind've what Penn St already does?  

[boconnell]

2 minutes ago, jajensen09 said:

Why even wrestle in the early season at this point. Especially in the B1G. Wrestle your redshirts early in the year and just go hard for a couple months with your veterans 

I agree that if you have a guy who can do more in half a season then anyone else can do in a whole season, then that guy can make the first half unimportant.  

Kind of like Josh Barr at 197 except Barr didn't wrestle as many highly ranked guys in his half season.

[Pinnacle]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

Isn't that kind've what Penn St already does?  

Penn St starters wrestled every dual.

[The Kid]

7 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

Jax is undefeated and beat some quality guys. Why wouldn’t he be the #1 seed? Blaze and Davino are both freshmen too, so what would put them above Jax?

He only wrestled 13 matches.   That's why.

[BarSeries]

They had one job to give Davino the rightfully earned #1 seed and they got it wrong. You can't give a one semester wrestler the #1.

Officially rooting for Davino to run this gauntlet......Knox in round of 16, then Byrd, then Blaze, then Forrest/Seidel. 

Outstanding Wrestler incoming..........

[BarSeries]

[PortaJohn]

9 hours ago, boconnell said:

So Davino beat the 3,6,13,16,24 and lost to 3

Davino beat the 2

[Gene Mills Fan]

I think Jax has impressed a lot of coaches and they didn't want to look dumb if Jax goes on a whirlwind, they know Jax will score the others are chasing. I think they went with their gut in this unique situation. Did the coaches ranking put him above Davino?

[BarSeries]

[PortaJohn]

3 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

I think Jax has impressed a lot of coaches and they didn't want to look dumb if Jax goes on a whirlwind, they know Jax will score the others are chasing. I think they went with their gut in this unique situation. Did the coaches ranking put him above Davino?

Haven't seen the coaches ranking but they must've because the matrix favored  Davino.  At least for next season we don't have to read post after post about the importance of the regualar season.  Jax fixed that.

[Paul158]

31 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Davino beat the 2

Actually, the minute Byrd lost in the Big Ten tournament Blaze was sitting at number 1. If he beats Davino again he would have stayed at number 1. So, when Davino wrestled Blaze, he was number 1. If he beats Blaze again at a neutral venue (Cleveland) Davino will be in the finals. Blaze is from Perry High School 35 miles from Cleveland. Maybe not so neutral.

[Paul158]

21 minutes ago, PortaJohn said:

Haven't seen the coaches ranking but they must've because the matrix favored  Davino.  At least for next season we don't have to read post after post about the importance of the regualar season.  Jax fixed that.

At only 13 matches did Jax even qualify for the coach's rankings? They have minimum numbers. It was mentioned on some other threads.

[Kov88]

9 hours ago, ionel said:

Don't know the algorithm but Jax beat the 4, 5 & 6 seeds, two of them total domination.  The 1 seed didn't wrestle the 2 or 3 but the 2 & 3 didn't wrestle the 4 or 5 and both had losses to each other.  

I never said Jax didn’t deserve the 1, I just wanted to see Jax/seidel and blaze/Davino opposite…. You asked what would have prevented Jax 1, I thought maybe amount of matches could have prevented it

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

It was mentioned on some other threads.

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2025-26D1MWR_PreChampsManual.pdf

● Head-to-head competition — 25%.
● Quality wins — 20%.
● Qualifying event placement — 15%.
● Results against common opponents — 10%.
● RPI — 10%.
● Coaches rankings — 10%.
● Win percentage — 10%.
NOTE: Coaches’ Ranking — A wrestler must have wrestled eight matches at the championships weight class to be eligible
to be ranked in that weight class. He also must have wrestled at least one match in the 30 days preceding each ranking
period in the respective weight class. If a wrestler does not meet each of these two criteria, he will be removed from the
ranking list for that ranking period.
SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA
The committee may also consider the following subjective measures to supplement established selection and seeding
criteria:
● Bad Losses.
● Outside the top 30 CR and/or 30 RPI.
● Conference Champion.
● Performance in last five matches.
● Number of Injury default or medical forfeits wins/losses.
● Best quality win.
● Recency of win.
● Wrestler availability (injured or medically unable to compete).

Edited 10 hours ago by MPhillips

[Paul158]

18 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/championships/sports/wrestling/d1/men/2025-26D1MWR_PreChampsManual.pdf

● Head-to-head competition — 25%.
● Quality wins — 20%.
● Qualifying event placement — 15%.
● Results against common opponents — 10%.
● RPI — 10%.
● Coaches rankings — 10%.
● Win percentage — 10%.
NOTE: Coaches’ Ranking — A wrestler must have wrestled eight matches at the championships weight class to be eligible
to be ranked in that weight class. He also must have wrestled at least one match in the 30 days preceding each ranking
period in the respective weight class. If a wrestler does not meet each of these two criteria, he will be removed from the
ranking list for that ranking period.
SUBJECTIVE CRITERIA
The committee may also consider the following subjective measures to supplement established selection and seeding
criteria:
● Bad Losses.
● Outside the top 30 CR and/or 30 RPI.
● Conference Champion.
● Performance in last five matches.
● Number of Injury default or medical forfeits wins/losses.
● Best quality win.
● Recency of win.
● Wrestler availability (injured or medically unable to compete).

Edited 10 hours ago by MPhillips

Good job thanks. It would have been nice to split Davino and Blaze and see how Jax does against them. Jax is wrestling well. It should be some great wrestling.

[czarbronx]

Blaze went to Perrysburg HS near Toledo about 100 miles from arena

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Paul158 said:

Good job thanks. It would have been nice to split Davino and Blaze and see how Jax does against them. Jax is wrestling well. It should be some great wrestling.

I think all would have preferred say Forrest/Blaze one side and Davino/Seidel other side with Larkin, Ayala, Byrd sprinkled around for good measure.  Instead we got kind've b10 & b12acc sides that had already wrestled.  But this is what happens with an unbiased structured algorithm - enter data get output.  

[Gene Mills Fan]

4 minutes ago, ionel said:

I think all would have preferred say Forrest/Blaze one side and Davino/Seidel other side with Larkin, Ayala, Byrd sprinkled around for good measure.  Instead we got kind've b10 & b12acc sides that had already wrestled.  But this is what happens with an unbiased structured algorithm - enter data get output.  

you threw too many bananas, So Drake slipped up  and now we got this Forrest reign!

Edited March 12 by Gene Mills Fan

[boconnell]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

Davino beat the 2

No he didn't.  Davino is the 2.  He beat the 3.

[BarSeries]

6 minutes ago, ionel said:

I think all would have preferred say Forrest/Blaze one side and Davino/Seidel other side with Larkin, Ayala, Byrd sprinkled around for good measure.  Instead we got kind've b10 & b12acc sides that had already wrestled.  But this is what happens with an unbiased structured algorithm - enter data get output.  

Exact opposite. This is what an algorithm looks like. Coaches ranking swayed things.

[ionel]

4 hours ago, BarSeries said:

They had one job to give Davino the rightfully earned #1 seed and they got it wrong. You can't give a one semester wrestler the #1.

To be fair Jax wrestled both semesters just wrong weight class (kindve like Larkin ) fall semester for ranking credit.