More fraud

[red viking]

6 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Let’s just disregard that California is the highest taxed state in the nation and that Texas doesn’t have an income tax.  The gov’t collecting taxes is as big of a drag on the economy as there is.  We’re currently seeing example after example that the bulk of taxes wind up in the hands of the wealthy - bureaucrats, politicians, and fraudsters. 

Are the wingers willing to cut ss, Medicare or military though? No. Until then, quit your whining. There's no free lunch. 

[ionel]

6 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

Let’s just disregard that California is the highest taxed state in the nation and that Texas doesn’t have an income tax.  The gov’t collecting taxes is as big of a drag on the economy as there is.  We’re currently seeing example after example that the bulk of taxes wind up in the hands of the wealthy - bureaucrats, politicians, and fraudsters. 

That said property taxes are just about the only source of funding for rural schools.  I received a great high school education in a small town rural area and don't mind paying my property taxes to give back and support the schools.  When rv and friends complete the $2.25B purchase of my lots I'll be sure to give back even more.   

[red viking]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

Are the wingers willing to cut ss, Medicare or military though? No. Until then, quit your whining. There's no free lunch. 

Bump. You hypocritical free loading slime bags. 

[Scouts Honor]

5 minutes ago, red viking said:

Are the wingers willing to cut ss, Medicare or military though? No. Until then, quit your whining. There's no free lunch. 

no the left wingers are not willing to cut any of that.

you should know

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

no the left wingers are not willing to cut any of that.

you should know

Neither are the wingers. Difference is that the dems want to pay for it instead of putting it on a credit card. 

[El Luchador]

7 minutes ago, red viking said:

Are the wingers willing to cut ss, Medicare or military though? No. Until then, quit your whining. There's no free lunch. 

Taking something away from someone they counted for retirement, all while forcing them to do it isn't really the moral high ground. Bringing dependent people in and fraudulently making millionaires out of them should be the first cut in spending. Even if it isn't fraud, nobody paid for my daycare. People that get free food, free housing, free medical, welfare payments, and utilities subsidies should not need free daycare anyway. 

Now as far as military goes, that is one of the few legitimate functions of government. Our military spending should be a huge percentage because it's one of the few things they should do.  Social programs are the biggest spending and most easily cut. People need to stop expecting others to foot their bills and thinking it's a right.

[Caveira]

9 minutes ago, red viking said:

Bump. You hypocritical free loading slime bags. 

Free loading lol.    We pay more than enough taxes to Uncle Sam already.    The fact that it’s squandered.   Sent to ngos.   Wasted.   And just plain lost via fraud is where you are wrong.   The gov is not to be trusted with more $$$ 

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Caveira said:

Free loading lol.    We pay more than enough taxes to Uncle Sam already.    The fact that it’s squandered.   Sent to ngos.   Wasted.   And just plain lost via fraud is where you are wrong.   The gov is not to be trusted with more $$$ 

Fraud is a very low% of overall spending. This is a total bs scapegoat. 

Govt spending continues to skyrocket if u don't address these 3 programs. Not simply "cutting the fat" bs

Edited January 2 by red viking

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Fraud is a very low% of overall spending.

What % is it.   Why are the dems fighting so hard to hide it in mn Maine onio and Seattle ?   What % goes to ngo(s).   Answer those questions with numbers as opposed to your standard uneducated nonsense please 

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

What % is it.   Why are the dems fighting so hard to hide it in mn Maine onio and Seattle ?   What % goes to ngo(s).   Answer those questions with numbers as opposed to your standard uneducated nonsense please 

From AI. Note that you can never get it down to 0%. 

The percentage of U.S. government spending lost to fraud varies by estimate, but the Government Accountability Office (GAO) suggests a range of 3% to 7% of federal obligations as a general fraud estimate for recent years (FY2018-2022). This translates to hundreds of billions lost, with some figures reaching over $500 billion annually, though these numbers often include broader "improper payments" (like errors) and not just intentional fraud, which is harder to quantify. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

From AI. Note that you can never get it down to 0%. 

The percentage of U.S. government spending lost to fraud varies by estimate, but the Government Accountability Office (GAO) suggests a range of 3% to 7% of federal obligations as a general fraud estimate for recent years (FY2018-2022). This translates to hundreds of billions lost, with some figures reaching over $500 billion annually, though these numbers often include broader "improper payments" (like errors) and not just intentional fraud, which is harder to quantify. 

As per u ai isn’t trustworthy.  And fraud hasn’t been investigated state local or federal at any level.  So I humbly think your a little nuts if you believe that 

[red viking]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

As per u ai isn’t trustworthy.  And fraud hasn’t been investigated state local or federal at any level.  So I humbly think your a little nuts if you believe that 

Furthermore, you can always decrease fraud more but then u get even less efficient. You have to hire more workers and slow down processes as u involve more staff. There are costs to cutting fraud so its very hard to really get lower than we are. 

[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, red viking said:

From AI. Note that you can never get it down to 0%. 

The percentage of U.S. government spending lost to fraud varies by estimate, but the Government Accountability Office (GAO) suggests a range of 3% to 7% of federal obligations as a general fraud estimate for recent years (FY2018-2022). This translates to hundreds of billions lost, with some figures reaching over $500 billion annually, though these numbers often include broader "improper payments" (like errors) and not just intentional fraud, which is harder to quantify. 

Also have to add waste.   Waste and fraud are huge.   
 

you also need to admit.  If fraud is 10%. (I rounded  up).  The next 10% aggregate tax increases across the board need to be taken out of the fraud bucket instead of my pocket 

[red viking]

5 minutes ago, Caveira said:

As per u ai isn’t trustworthy.  And fraud hasn’t been investigated state local or federal at any level.  So I humbly think your a little nuts if you believe that 

It's from govt accountability office. I guess you should just listen to Fox News instead. 

[red viking]

Just now, Caveira said:

Also have to add waste.   Waste and fraud are huge.   
 

you also need to admit.  If fraud is 10%. (I rounded  up).  The next 10% aggregate tax increases across the board need to be taken out of the fraud bucket instead of my pocket 

Waste is completely subjective. I think k 90% of military spending is waste so your argument is dumb. 

[Scouts Honor]

27 minutes ago, red viking said:

Neither are the wingers. Difference is that the dems want to pay for it instead of putting it on a credit card. 

lol

pay for it.

really? how? oh yeah.. someone else's money

[El Luchador]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Furthermore, you can always decrease fraud more but then u get even less efficient. You have to hire more workers and slow down processes as u involve more staff. There are costs to cutting fraud so its very hard to really get lower than we are. 

Eliminate programs and they won't have fraud. These programs that we got screwed on were stupid in the first place. So stupid that I believe they were started for this purpose.

[Scouts Honor]

20 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Taking something away from someone they counted for retirement, all while forcing them to do it isn't really the moral high ground. Bringing dependent people in and fraudulently making millionaires out of them should be the first cut in spending. Even if it isn't fraud, nobody paid for my daycare. People that get free food, free housing, free medical, welfare payments, and utilities subsidies should not need free daycare anyway. 

 

he won't understand this, being the authoritarian he is

[red viking]

1 minute ago, El Luchador said:

Eliminate programs and they won't have fraud. These programs that we got screwed on were stupid in the first place. So stupid that I believe they were started for this purpose.

Ok

 Eliminate ss and gut military then if u want zero fraud in those programs. 

Edited January 2 by red viking

[Scouts Honor]

19 minutes ago, red viking said:

Fraud is a very low% of overall spending. This is a total bs scapegoat. 

Govt spending continues to skyrocket if u don't address these 3 programs. Not simply "cutting the fat" bs

so you knew there was fraud all along.. and did nohting about it..

typical.

you belong in DC

 

btw, why do you think spending continues to skyrocket

its all fraud.

almost every program is riddled with it

[Scouts Honor]

i remember some people bitching about a small GOVT entity which could take care of this without being a large red tape factory.

it was called doge

[red viking]

Just now, Scouts Honor said:

so you knew there was fraud all along.. and did nohting about it..

typical.

you belong in DC

 

btw, why do you think spending continues to skyrocket

its all fraud.

almost every program is riddled with it

You need to hire more staff and slow down processes to cut fraud. It doesn't just magically happen that easily. 

[red viking]

For example tax fraud will skyrocket with the loss of irs staff. Consequences. 

[El Luchador]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

Ok

 Eliminate ss and gut military then if u want zero fraud in those programs. 

How about we limit government to what we developed it for. SS should have never been, because worthless politicians can't keep their hands off it. Never have never will. The problem is they sucked people dry to the point it's all many people have.   

[Scouts Honor]