National Duals Matchups

[Idaho]

21 hours ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Faux outrage on a Facebook message board about how Lehigh should drop out and let Rutgers in, combined with talk of how avoiding early high ranking matchups will doom the event.

Tell me you don't understand how scheduling works!

Rutgers finished 38th last year and weren't even eligible to be picked for a wild card LOL... Can't tell in May who will be out in November. It is what it is...if they did drop out it would and should go back to a lottery pick from the teams that were left over that did not get selected. In this case we all know Oregon State is in. 

[ScottishSteel]

And here we go . . .

[nhs67]

Joy is making Swiderski look like his little pony.

Rides him out the 2nd.  Swiderski... didn't try anything?

[nhs67]

Joy broke Swiderski.  Wow.

[ScottishSteel]

@nhs67 come join us in the results thread

[Antitroll2828]

1 hour ago, Idaho said:

Rutgers finished 38th last year and weren't even eligible to be picked for a wild card LOL... Can't tell in May who will be out in November. It is what it is...if they did drop out it would and should go back to a lottery pick from the teams that were left over that did not get selected. In this case we all know Oregon State is in. 

Rutgers finished 38th at ncaas but had the 11th ranked dual team at the end of last season. They beat Illinois and lost to Ohio state by 2. I think they have a fair argument they should have been included, they have a better team then Little Rock (who lost half their point scorers to Iowa) Oregon state, Wyoming ( Novak run at ncaas is the only reason Wyoming is invited to the Paycom duals , they might win 2-3 matches at most against Rutgers. Then you have a team like Lehigh who is sending 4 or 5 back ups to the event. Seems pretty reasonable fans might be a little upset at the field picked this season 

[Kov88]

3 hours ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Rutgers finished 38th at ncaas but had the 11th ranked dual team at the end of last season. They beat Illinois and lost to Ohio state by 2. I think they have a fair argument they should have been included, they have a better team then Little Rock (who lost half their point scorers to Iowa) Oregon state, Wyoming ( Novak run at ncaas is the only reason Wyoming is invited to the Paycom duals , they might win 2-3 matches at most against Rutgers. Then you have a team like Lehigh who is sending 4 or 5 back ups to the event. Seems pretty reasonable fans might be a little upset at the field picked this season 

The invitational is earned by NCAA results… the only way you can guarantee your entry is to finish top 12…. They want to be invited they need a better finish at NCAAs

[Antitroll2828]

3 minutes ago, Kov88 said:

The invitational is earned by NCAA results… the only way you can guarantee your entry is to finish top 12…. They want to be invited they need a better finish at NCAAs

Wow what a dumb response that completely glossed over everything I said.Wyoming placed 22nd at ncaas on the strength of one guy scoring a lot of bonus (Novak). Wyoming the team has 3 ranked wrestlers, Rutgers has 10 ranked guys. You want to argue that Wyoming is better for this event then Rutgers or Iowa State? The whole process of picking teams for this is clearly flawed. Half of Little Rock point scorers wrestle for Iowa now.

add in the fact that the last 5 teams were selected by “random draw” and 2 teams that don’t belong in a national dual tournament, both coached by Oklahoma state alums, happened to be picked while much better teams stay home raises some eyebrows 

[ScottishSteel]

26 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Wow what a dumb response that completely glossed over everything I said.Wyoming placed 22nd at ncaas on the strength of one guy scoring a lot of bonus (Novak). Wyoming the team has 3 ranked wrestlers, Rutgers has 10 ranked guys. You want to argue that Wyoming is better for this event then Rutgers or Iowa State? The whole process of picking teams for this is clearly flawed. Half of Little Rock point scorers wrestle for Iowa now.

add in the fact that the last 5 teams were selected by “random draw” and 2 teams that don’t belong in a national dual tournament, both coached by Oklahoma state alums, happened to be picked while much better teams stay home raises some eyebrows 

Without doing the math, I feel 40% of coaches in the NCAA are Okie St alums so 2 of 5 in the random draw checks out

[Kov88]

23 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said:

Wow what a dumb response that completely glossed over everything I said.Wyoming placed 22nd at ncaas on the strength of one guy scoring a lot of bonus (Novak). Wyoming the team has 3 ranked wrestlers, Rutgers has 10 ranked guys. You want to argue that Wyoming is better for this event then Rutgers or Iowa State? The whole process of picking teams for this is clearly flawed. Half of Little Rock point scorers wrestle for Iowa now.

add in the fact that the last 5 teams were selected by “random draw” and 2 teams that don’t belong in a national dual tournament, both coached by Oklahoma state alums, happened to be picked while much better teams stay home raises some eyebrows 

You think my response is “dumb” just because you don’t like it…. Doesn’t matter who scores points for a team, it still counts in the team results….. it’s simple, they want in the invitational next year do better at NCAAs 

can’t argue that a team “deserved” to be in the invitational when they finished 36th at NCAAs

[NM1965]

On 11/15/2025 at 7:24 AM, Idaho said:

It's on Flo ... doubt you will find a bootleg. They might have one of those running message board things???

I managed to find about half the matches I was interested in on youtube. No Iowa/OkSt though!!

I got to see both of OU''s non-national duals (PSU, Bucknell) on youtube also. 

[NM1965]

On 11/15/2025 at 8:45 AM, nhs67 said:

Joy broke Swiderski.  Wow.

Everybody is beating Swiderski. I think hes still not in shape or something. 

[nhs67]

4 minutes ago, NM1965 said:

Everybody is beating Swiderski. I think hes still not in shape or something. 

That knee being wrapped up is what makes me think it's injury.

[NM1965]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

That knee being wrapped up is what makes me think it's injury.

Hopefully that's not the case, I dislike the idea of kids wrestling while hurt (even though I did it!). 

[Rassling2]

1 minute ago, NM1965 said:

Hopefully that's not the case, I dislike the idea of kids wrestling while hurt (even though I did it!). 

Haven’t we all 

[NM1965]

What can I say, Ohio State just blew me away at national duals. I did not envision that at all. I saw OSU losing to Iowa in the semifinals, but they had a puncher's chance, but Ohio State mudholing NU then smoking Iowa, wow. Congrats Buckeyes fans, enjoy it while you can (you got to face PSU three times! Dual/B10/NCAAs).  I expected it to be: 1) NU 2) Iowa 3)OSU 4) Buckeyes.  NU completely crashed and burned. Both OSU's smoked NU badly. 

The results from National Duals has me really looking forward to NCAAs this year. Ohio State showed they have a top team and are a huge threat to make the podium, maybe even a favorite. Oklahoma State's young FR impressed me a good deal in their matches. Regarding the Hawkeyes I can't help but think AJ Ferrari doesn't have enough offense to win an NCAA title, and Endene looked like a D1 AA during the duals and has really upped his game. Good for him I'm hoping he makes AA this year in D1 for the Hawkeyes. 

Edited November 18, 2025 by NM1965

[Pinnacle]

If Jax wins 133 and everyone lives up to their preseason hype they have a chance. If all the Buckeyes repeat their paycoms performance at ncaa they too have a chance. 

That chance probably requires some measure of underperformance out of psu.

Edited November 18, 2025 by Pinnacle