Jouneyman Collegiate Duals pools

[Cornell Kevin]

I figured this out last month based on process of elimination and a # of different factors. I had thought I posted it on here already however I do not see it.  These pools have not been announced yet, but here they are 

Day 1 pools

Penn St-Stanford-NDSU

Cornell-Illinois-Little Rock

Ohio St-Iowa St-Lehigh

Day 2 will consist of 3 different pools as well.  The 2-0 teams from Day 1 in one pool, 1-1 teams in a pool, and finally the 0-2 teams in a pool.  

Cornell has half their team out first semester.  The way it works however (based on Foca and Ramirez last year) as they (Greg D, Ungar, Cornella, Fernandez, and Shapiro) will all be able to compete at the conclusion of the first semester.  They do not have to wait for the second semester to start. Last year, Foca and Ramirez were able to participate in the dual vs NC State at home which fell on Dec 20th. It is looking like barring any injuries, Cornell should be full strength for this event.  

I would favor Cornell full strength over Illinois.  This means quite possibly seeing Shapiro vs Kasak/Duke and Levi Haines vs Simon Ruiz.  A match that Haines needed a t defensive takedown in the final seconds to win 4-1 at NCAAs.  

 

What about that third pool I listed day 1?   

 

I figured this out by the way by first separating like conference teams. Then  Cornell and Little Rock accidentally put the teams they were facing on their schedule they rolled out quite early prior to changing it to show “collegiate duals” rather than the teams they were to face. Then with Iowa St having Stanford on their schedule a week after this event, and Cornell having Lehigh…everything fell into place as is.  

 

I created the graphic below for our BEG show we aired a few weeks ago 

[flyingcement]

Group three is nasty

[nhs67]

What if Group three has three 1-1 teams?

Does that make Pool 2 have five teams?

Jokes aside, is it total match point wins, point differential, etc... what for tiebreaker?

[Spladle88]

Lehigh with at least a couple of quality starters out early in season will struggle in that bracket unfortunately........was set up to be their year to shine, tough schedule and solid team, but the injuries may cause a rough start to the year........hey it's wrestling, injuries and dings are common but it's unfortunate........hoping they are healthy and ready to go second semester

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 1 by Spladle88

[TexRef]

That is great and thank you!

 

This weekend is the Journeymen Fall Classic which is a premier pre-season tournament. I bet that after this weekend, Frank will be pushing out info on thr Collegiate Duals. 

[Cornell Kevin]

About two months ago I posted the pools for the Journeyman Duals on the weekend of December 20th in Nashville. This not to be confused with the National Dual Invite (the big one that Okla St is hosting.

Unfortunately there seems to be 3 different things that are subject to change. One of the three everyone still seems to be quite clueless on.

1- I believe there to be a change in two of the three pools from what I had initially posted.

I find this amusing because what It is being changed to is what I originally had thought it could and should be prior to seeing otherwise on teams leaked schedules at the time.

Because the National Duals invite has two of the teams that are partaking in the Journeyman duals (Illinois and Little Rock) facing off round 1...this and further evidence has

me believing that those two teams have now been placed in separate pools at the

Journeyman. When you take that and the original criteria of teams in pools all being in different conferences of each other, and not being on one another's schedule during the year, the pools are:

• Penn St -Stanford- NDSU

• this was always the same, all 3 teams confirm this on their schedule. None of the 3 were going to be going to National Dual invite

• Ohio St- Cornell- Little Rock

• Ohio St is in and Illinois out

• lowa St-Illinois -Lehigh

• Illinois is in and Ohio St out.

2- I was told that despite the event expanding from its previous annual

2 pools of 3 teams to 3 pools of 3 teams,

it seems that we will end up seeing less, not more wrestling. I was initially told that at the conclusion of Day 1, there would be a day 2 like there had always been, where teams would compete in their new pools (all 2-0 teams in one, all 1-1 teams in one, and 0-2 teams in one).

It seems that teams are looking to wrestle less and there may not be a day 2 any longer.

At least not one consisting of new pools. This gateway into segment ...

3- Nobody seems to have a clue on exact date. Is it Saturday Dec 20th, Sunday December 21st or both?

Penn St- Stanford -NDSU who are all in one pool show Sat Dec 20th on their schedule. For the 6 remaining teams, only Illinois shows 12/20 on their schedule while the other 5 show Sunday 12/21.

Reason this is a big deal to me. and will be to other Cornell fans is because Cornell has 5 guys missing the first semester who will be eligible to wrestle on Sunday, but not on Saturday.

(Greg Diakomahalis, Brett Ungar, Vince Cornella, Ethan Fernandez, Meyer Shapiro)). 

Any athlete not enrolled in the fall semester is eligible to wrestle the day following the last day of the semester. In other words the day after the schools last final. For Cornell that last exam just so happens to fall on Sat Dec 20th.

[bnwtwg]

This is the kind of detective work that is celebrated. Good stuff @Cornell Kevin