Who should get seeded at National Duals? Pick 4

[okokzach]

Pick 4

Edited October 1 by okokzach

[Truzzcat]

I feel like ohio state, Iowa, Nebraska are musts. While I think Oklahoma state is clearly in those teams tier a lot of that is based on projection with the amount of new guys/guys coming off redshirt/weight changes they have in their lineup. Minnesota is probably the other team you can make an argument for as they have 4 former AA's but only 3 ranked to AA. Nc state has 3 guys projected to AA off of ranking and 3 others projected to fall in the r12. Lehigh has 5 projected to AA based off of ranking but are much weaker than the other teams mentioned at the 5 other weights. So without factoring in projection which I do not think you should do and go mostly off of results and rankings NC state should probably get the 4 imo however I did pick okie state as the 4th and I think they will place top 4.

[nhs67]

If the invitations are based off of 2025 results, then they must also be considered for seeding purposes, right?

That means Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa should get three of them, no doubt.  Flip a coin between Minny and Ohio State for #4... or somehow assure us they'll be in the same pool.

[ionel]

7 hours ago, nhs67 said:

If the invitations are based off of 2025 results, then they must also be considered for seeding purposes, right?

That means Nebraska, Oklahoma State, and Iowa should get three of them, no doubt.  Flip a coin between Minny and Ohio State for #4... or somehow assure us they'll be in the same pool.

Well they dont have to.

 

BTW:  nice cowboy hat ... go pokes! 

Edited Wednesday at 07:28 PM by ionel

[bnwtwg]

Nebby OkSt and Iowa are locks. I think tOSU gets the nod but I think they are a paper tiger this season - I would pick Minny but I doubt it happens. Lehigh could also make a paper case I guess, but they are top heavy (which is best case scenario now for anyone outside the B1G I guess??)

[MPhillips]

4 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

I think they are a paper tiger this season

 You think that McCrone, Davino, Mendez, Stiles, Cannon, Paddy, Kharch, Fishback, Shumate and Feldman are weak, ineffectual, and unable to withstand a challenge?

[flyingcement]

Iowa, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, and Nebraska 

[nhs67]

34 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Nebby OkSt and Iowa are locks. I think tOSU gets the nod but I think they are a paper tiger this season - I would pick Minny but I doubt it happens. Lehigh could also make a paper case I guess, but they are top heavy (which is best case scenario now for anyone outside the B1G I guess??)

I also went Minny over tOSU.  Minny won the dual last year:

https://www.wrestlestat.com/event/86879/minnesota-ohio-state-dual/boxscore

[NotThatDave]

Not that they don't deserve to be a top seed regardless, I think Oklahoma State should be automatically seeded as the "host team," as should any other host school going forward. This might even increase bids in the future. Just a thought.

[ionel]

3 minutes ago, NotThatDave said:

Not that they don't deserve to be a top seed regardless, I think Oklahoma State should be automatically seeded as the "host team," as should any other host school going forward. This might even increase bids in the future. Just a thought.

no! 

[bnwtwg]

5 minutes ago, NotThatDave said:

Not that they don't deserve to be a top seed regardless, I think Oklahoma State should be automatically seeded as the "host team," as should any other host school going forward. This might even increase bids in the future. Just a thought.

The Paycom duals are not leaving OkSt anytime soon.

[bnwtwg]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

 You think that McCrone, Davino, Mendez, Stiles, Cannon, Paddy, Kharch, Fishback, Shumate and Feldman are weak, ineffectual, and unable to withstand a challenge?

well when you put it like that....

 

 

Yes.

[MPhillips]

2 minutes ago, bnwtwg said:

Yes.

Fair enough...

[ionel]

4 hours ago, flyingcement said:

Iowa, Ohio State, Oklahoma State, and Nebraska 

You are just saying that to get on JC's and MP's good side correct?  

[SetonHallPirate]

I ran some numbers, everything I came up with was Nebraska 1, Iowa and Ohio State splitting 2 and 3, and either NC State or Oklahoma State at 4.

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, SetonHallPirate said:

I ran some numbers, everything I came up with was Nebraska 1, Iowa and Ohio State splitting 2 and 3, and either NC State or Oklahoma State at 4.

Minny, who tied Ohio State at Natties and beat them in a Dual H2H does not get seeded above them?

[SetonHallPirate]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

Minny, who tied Ohio State at Natties and beat them in a Dual H2H does not get seeded above them?

I was going based on this year's lineups with Intermat and Flo rankings. Intermat's rankings would have Nebraska-Iowa-Ohio State-Oklahoma State, Flo's would have Nebraska-Ohio State-Iowa-NC State.

[MNRodent]

33 minutes ago, SetonHallPirate said:

I was going based on this year's lineups with Intermat and Flo rankings. Intermat's rankings would have Nebraska-Iowa-Ohio State-Oklahoma State, Flo's would have Nebraska-Ohio State-Iowa-NC State.

They all have 2X AA Chris Cannon either NR or like #30, because he tried wrestling injured up a weight last year, and it didn't work out.  If he is remotely healthy, he deserves at least a teen ranking.

[SetonHallPirate]

Based on the Intermat numbers (as I ran them), even moving Cannon to #1 overall at 133 wouldn't be enough to make them a top-four seed. I went 15-0 at each weight class (anybody unranked was treated as tied with every other unranked wrestler, so as not to make an assumption on who numbers 34, 35, 36, etc. were), and here's what I came up with, using Intermat's rankings:

1. Nebraska, 114
2. Iowa, 112
3. Ohio State, 109
4. Oklahoma State, 89.5
5. NC State, 85.5
6. Michigan, 79.5
7. Virginia Tech, 79
8. Minnesota, 74
9. Illinois, 73.5
10. Lehigh, 69.5
11. Missouri, 67.5
12. Cornell, 63
13. Northern Iowa, 62
14. Little Rock, 50.5
15. Wyoming, 42
16. Arizona State, 29.5

And, for equal time, here's Flo's results, doing the same thing:

1. Nebraska, 112
2. Ohio State, 108
3. Iowa, 104.5
4. NC State, 90
5. Oklahoma State, 89
6. Virginia Tech, 84
7. Lehigh, 76.5
8. Illinois, 73.5
9. Michigan, 71.5
10. Minnesota, 70
11. Missouri, 67
12. Northern Iowa, 63.5
13. Cornell, 62
14. Little Rock, 54
15. Wyoming, 45
16. Arizona State, 29.5