Antifa A Terrorist Organization

[uncle bernard]

Just now, jross said:

You should leave the country built on policies that you disagree with.

Like if you don't want to shave, stop playing ball with New York Yankees.  

That's an anti-American principle. Our Constitution guarantees us the opportunity to change laws we disagree with through democratic institutions. That's why we don't have a king.

[red viking]

Just now, Gene Mills Fan said:

A Democratic republic was established to prevent grades 1-5 from determining who the principal is to be.

Instead you have the kindergarten kids deciding for the entire school. Minority rule. Is that better? 

[Caveira]

Just now, red viking said:

Instead you have the kindergarten kids deciding for the entire school. Minority rule. Is that better? 

Did Trump win the popular vote.  I can never remember these things. 

[jross]

14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

It's absolutely about identity and social justice. It's artificially inflating the power of smaller states in the interest of fairness/justice.

Explain why.

[Gene Mills Fan]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Instead you have the kindergarten kids deciding for the entire school. Minority rule. Is that better? 

last i knew the kindergarten didn't have the knowledge or experience to own property.

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I was more speaking to RV and you saying that antifa isn't "a group".  I also think there is a HUGE distinction between the label Conservative and Liberal than antifa but I am going to assume you understand that as well and are just using it as some sort of attempt to be mad at Trump for labeling antifa as a terrorist organization...which of course is totally fine if that is your opinion because we all know you hate Trump.

Yeah, a teacher's union was calling for labeling parent groups as domestic terrorists but of course it never passed any sort of bill.  But again it is because of distinctions...there is again a HUGE distinction between antifa and a parent group advocating for what their kids are and aren't taught in school.

It's not a group. It's an ideology which many disparate groups - with different tactics and priorities - believe in. Just like conservative/liberal.

The Proud Boys are conservative. So is the Federalist Society. Are those the same group? Or are they two different groups who share some common principles?

[red viking]

1 minute ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

last i knew the kindergarten didn't have the knowledge or experience to own property.

But 1st graders do? You used that analogy idiot. 

Edited 2 hours ago by red viking

[uncle bernard]

Just now, jross said:

Explain why.

I already have. It's redistributing power based on fairness, not purely population.

[ionel]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

States vote on ideological lines. 

But if states should not have a say then why have state government?  One man one vote so no need for state boundaries or government.  In fact why counties or local government we can all vote on the internet for laws that affect everyone equally.  A true democracy where everyone pays the same gas, property, income etc taxes and access to the same library cards ... ok maybe we dont need libraries ... but all have equal access to the Mayo Clinic.  

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

They can do that in the House too. Rural reps from California and Illinois can team up together to oppose urban reps from Arkansas and Idaho.

And that's not even what happens in the Senate either. That's what happened 200 years ago, but not today.

But not with your 1 man 1 vote approach. 

[uncle bernard]

Just now, ionel said:

But if states should not have a say then why have state government?  One man one vote so no need for state boundaries or government.  In fact why counties or local government we can all vote on the internet for laws that affect everyone equally.  A true democracy where everyone pays the same gas, property, income etc taxes and access to the same library cards ... ok maybe we dont need libraries ... but all have equal access to the Mayo Clinic.  

The purpose of state government is to legislate local issues. The purpose of federal government is to legislate federal issues.

Again, you're ignoring how the Senate works today. The same power imbalance that gives Wyoming unearned power to block a certain law (say anti-rural for example) is the exact same imbalance that gives Rhode Island unearned power to enact that exact same law. Neither Wyoming nor Rhode Island should have that undue power.

[jross]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

That's an anti-American principle. Our Constitution guarantees us the opportunity to change laws we disagree with through democratic institutions. That's why we don't have a king.

So your are both correct and pedantic.  The federated republic is core to the country's government and nigh impossible to change unless a king overthrew us.

[Gene Mills Fan]

14 minutes ago, red viking said:

But 1st graders do? You used that analogy idiot. 

the first graders don't have the majority, they would need the majority of the other classes to be on their side. Same with the kindergarten they can't choose they get their one. 

Edited 2 hours ago by Gene Mills Fan

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

But not with your 1 man 1 vote approach. 

It also isn't guaranteed to be prevented by the Senate either. What actually protects from that issue is the Judicial Branch. That's why we have checks and balances.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, jross said:

So your are both correct and pedantic.  The federated republic is core to the country's government and nigh impossible to change unless a king overthrew us.

Why is it pedantic. It's either an American principle or it's not. You just don't like getting caught being a hypocrite.

[jross]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I already have. It's redistributing power based on fairness, not purely population.

What is the formally drafted definitions of DEI, the formally drafted goals of DEI, and how is it applied in practice?

Now how does the Senate fit into those formal definitions and in practice?

What is going wrong with DEI in practice (lowering standards for example) and how is that applying to the Senate?

[ionel]

9 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

 Neither Wyoming nor Rhode Island should have that undue power.

Just like no county should have more power than another county.  Tax rates should be the same everywhere all should have equal benefits.  One man one vote no need for boundaries and local issues.  All power to the majority.  We should have majority vote on income and everyone gets the same annual income.   Maybe Socialism or a Dictatorship would be easier and better.  

Edited 2 hours ago by ionel

[jross]

6 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Why is it pedantic. It's either an American principle or it's not. You just don't like getting caught being a hypocrite.

Because while it is technically possible it is practically impossible.  It will take two-thirds of Congress to propose amendments and three-fourths to ratify.  So many amendments would need updated that it would perhaps be easier to create a new constitution.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by jross

[red viking]

9 minutes ago, Gene Mills Fan said:

the first graders don't have the majority, they would need the majority of the other classes to be on their side

5th graders can't own property either. Your dumb analogy, own it. 

[jross]

If one believes in DEI and one believes that the Senate is DEI, then how could one want to remove the Senate?

[uncle bernard]

Just now, jross said:

What is the formally drafted definitions of DEI, the formally drafted goals of DEI, and how is it applied in practice?

Now how does the Senate fit into those formal definitions and in practice?

What is going wrong with DEI in practice (lowering standards for example) and how is that applying to the Senate?

1) There is no formal definition of DEI. It's a principle that each entity who uses it interprets and applies differently. You really need to do a better job of knowing knowing about the things you criticize.

In general, DEI is focused eliminating discrimination based on difference, most commonly race, religion, gender, etc...

The Senate also eliminates discrimination based on difference, the difference being population size. No matter how large the population is, each state gets the same amount of representatives.

 

 

[uncle bernard]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

Just like no county should have more power than another county.  Tax rates should be the same everywhere all should have equal benefits.  One man one vote no need for boundaries and local issues.  All power to the majority.  We should have majority vote on income and everyone gets the same annual income.   Maybe Socialism or a Dictatorship would be easier and better.  

You've confused yourself here. If you don't think everybody should have equal representation, you should be against the Senate, which imposes equal representation on everybody regardless of population size.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

28 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I predicted that and supported that prediction with the evidence available at the time. And as more evidence came out, I changed my mind. Crazy concept, I know!

Maybe one day you'll change your mind on support of Hamas and democratic party candidates?

[Gene Mills Fan]

4 minutes ago, red viking said:

5th graders can't own property either. Your dumb analogy, own it. 

the twelve classes each have representatives. the majority of the representatives decide. the largest class with the most people; doesn't decide. idiot 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, jross said:

If one believes in DEI and one believes that the Senate is DEI, then how could one want to remove the Senate?

Exactly. Just like Jimmy, you're missing the kid's point in the video. He's poking a hole in Charlie's argument to force Charlie to argue the specifics of the issue instead of referring back to a general principle that is contradictory.