Antifa A Terrorist Organization

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Are you advocating we get rid of states?   

No, states can still legislate local issues like they already do. The Senate is part of the federal government. The legislative branch should be concerned with governing the country, based on the total population, not artificially drawn lines on a map. 

6 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

DEI needs checks and balances or it will never work.  Which is what corporate America just found out. 

Okay, so what do checks and balances for DEI look like in corporate America? You concede that some DEI is necessary?

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Are you advocating we get rid of states?   

The left likes the popular vote because statistically they win it more.   I also believe that’s core to the let all illegals in and let those here illegally become citizens strategy as well - as they should win a higher % of that vote as well.  It’s just a numbers game.  

[red viking]

The idiot wingers think that DEi is all about going out of your way to hire minorities. That's not what it typically is. 

[red viking]

Just now, Caveira said:

The left likes the popular vote because statistically they win it more.   I also believe that’s core to the let all illegals in and let those here illegally become citizens strategy as well - as they should win a higher % of that vote as well.  It’s just a numbers game.  

Every voter should be equal. People that live in less populated states have orders of magnitude more representation. It's bs and a,slap in the face to democratic principles.  

[uncle bernard]

@Interviewed_at_Weehawken good example of someone who actually just "copies and pastes" in the sense you accused me of.

@JimmySpeaks believes these things because that's he was told to believe. He doesn't know why he believes them. He's never thought them through logically. That's why it's so easy to back him into a corner where he has to admit DEI is good and necessary because he can't abandon the belief that the Senate is absolutely necessary. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, red viking said:

Every voter should be equal. People that live in less populated states have orders of magnitude more representation. It's bs and a,slap in the face to democratic principles.  

Ribbit. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

No, states can still legislate local issues like they already do. The Senate is part of the federal government. The legislative branch should be concerned with governing the country, based on the total population, not artificially drawn lines on a map. 

Okay, so what do checks and balances for DEI look like in corporate America? You concede that some DEI is necessary?

But you don’t need states if they don’t have ANY equal say in what happens in the country.  You’re for open borders for the nation why keep them for the states??
 

Not necessary but can be useful if used correctly.  You can say it’s not a quota but it is. It needs to be done organically 

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, Caveira said:

The left likes the popular vote because statistically they win it more.   I also believe that’s core to the let all illegals in and let those here illegally become citizens strategy as well - as they should win a higher % of that vote as well.  It’s just a numbers game.  

I like the popular vote because I believe in 1 man - 1 vote. That's the spirit of elections. Everybody is equal, regardless of race, gender, or creed.

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, red viking said:

The idiot wingers think that DEi is all about going out of your way to hire minorities. That's not what it typically is. 

For those of us that worked for companies that have used it know for a fact that it’s mainly about diversity in the organization.  A certain number must be hired and moved thru the system.  It’s a fact. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Well I’m off to the homeless shelter to help out. See you guys later this afternoon. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

7 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, states can still legislate local issues like they already do. The Senate is part of the federal government. The legislative branch should be concerned with governing the country, based on the total population, not artificially drawn lines on a map. 

Okay, so what do checks and balances for DEI look like in corporate America? You concede that some DEI is necessary?

People can move if they care that much about the electoral college, they can't change their ethnicity. (Unless you're Zohan or Liz Warren)

[uncle bernard]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

But you don’t need states if they don’t have ANY equal say in what happens in the country.  You’re for open borders for the nation why keep them for the states??
 

Not necessary but can be useful if used correctly.  You can say it’s not a quota but it is. It needs to be done organically 

They do have a say in the country. Voting blocks don't follow state size. It's not 1790. Texas and California don't vote together because they're big. Wyoming and Rhode Island don't vote together because they're small.

The House *actually* accomplishes what you think the Senate is supposed to accomplish. Rural districts elect candidates to represent them. Urban districts represent candidates to represent them. There are Republican House members from the most liberal states in the country and Democrat House members from the most conservative, each elected to represent their local constituencies. 

[uncle bernard]

3 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

People can move if they care that much about the electoral college, they can't change their ethnicity. (Unless you're Zohan or Liz Warren)

Explain this.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

3 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Explain this.

Move.  It is easy.  I have done it many times in my life.  I have lived in states with large electoral college numbers, and I have lived in small states.  If people care so much they will move.  If there is a will, there is a way.

[Scouts Honor]

to  my point earlier

 

[reversaloffortune]

22 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

For those of us that worked for companies that have used it know for a fact that it’s mainly about diversity in the organization.  A certain number must be hired and moved thru the system.  It’s a fact. 

Except that it isnt

[uncle bernard]

8 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Move.  It is easy.  I have done it many times in my life.  I have lived in states with large electoral college numbers, and I have lived in small states.  If people care so much they will move.  If there is a will, there is a way.

That doesn't actually solve the issue. It still means your vote only matters if you agree with the political majority of the state you live in. Lazy response.

Why shouldn't a Californian Republican's vote matter?

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

I think early 2010s various leftists groups started labelling themselves as Antifa, citing the antifascist groups from the early-to-mid 20th century in Germany and Italy as their influence.

Adding: I don't know if this is where it started, but Portland/PNW is where there is the strongest Antifa presence/tradition. They popped up in response to right wing and neo-Nazi militias that are also common in that area in the country. I do know that "Antifa" burst onto the national scene as a result of their constant street fights with the Proud Boys in Portland.

It was 2007, but exactly "groups" have started labeling themselves as antifa.  Individual people label themselves as antifa.

So this dumb argument of "who are they then" and "there is no group to be able to label as a terrorist...." doesn't hold water and is actually all you just trying to say "Orange man bad!".

By the way...you didn't answer my other question...conveniently....so I'll ask again....wasn't there a push to label parent groups as domestic terrorists??  Answer is yes, by the teacher's union.  Did you and RV get all up in arms about that??  Again, we all know the answer to that question.

[uncle bernard]

Just now, Bigbrog said:

It was 2007, but exactly "groups" have started labeling themselves as antifa.  Individual people label themselves as antifa.

So this dumb argument of "who are they then" and "there is no group to be able to label as a terrorist...." doesn't hold water and is actually all you just trying to say "Orange man bad!".

By the way...you didn't answer my other question...conveniently....so I'll ask again....wasn't there a push to label parent groups as domestic terrorists??  Answer is yes, by the teacher's union.  Did you and RV get all up in arms about that??  Again, we all know the answer to that question.

Right, which is why I used the Conservative/Liberal comparison. Millions of people call themselves Conservatives/Liberals in this country. That doesn't mean they're part of an organization.

Wasn't aware of the parent group thing. Did those groups get labelled as domestic terrorists? I hope not. There will always be people with dumb ideas. 

[Caveira]

34 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I like the popular vote because I believe in 1 man - 1 vote. That's the spirit of elections. Everybody is equal, regardless of race, gender, or creed.

I believe when liberals lose they want to change the rules so they can win.  

[Offthemat]

56 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Yes, that's exactly his point. The Senate is set up as a DEI initiative to give smaller, less powerful (read minority/underprivileged in DEI terms) states more power to balance out larger state's power in the House.

That is explicitly DEI. If you take the anti-DEI claim seriously, you should want to get rid of the Senate and just have the House. Same thing applies to the Electoral College. Any electoral system that does not award the winner based on raw vote totals is DEI. It's like saying the 2nd finisher in a 100M dash is the winner because he has shorter legs than the first finisher.

Calling the Senate DEI is the same bastardization, misnomering, that is consistent with the left’s agenda for the destruction of the country.  And the endorsement of democracy, better understood as mob rule, was severely despised and rejected by our ingenious founders.  

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

20 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

That doesn't actually solve the issue. It still means your vote only matters if you agree with the political majority of the state you live in. Lazy response.

Why shouldn't a Californian Republican's vote matter?

Because you don't want any republican's vote to matter?

But actually, they can feel free to move to a state where their votes do make a difference.

Why shouldn't a California Democrat's vote matter, btw?  I think you forgot that one.

Edited 6 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[jross]

Referring to the Senate as DEI is a very Zohran like spin.  Clever and inaccurate.

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Because you don't want any republican's vote to matter?

But actually, they can feel free to move to a state where their votes do make a difference.

Why shouldn't a California Democrat's vote matter, btw?  I think you forgot that one.

I want all Republican votes to matter. 

They shouldn't have to. That's stupid.

It does matter already. That's the whole point. Your vote only matters if you live in a state where the majority votes with your or you're in a swing state. You seem to have trouble following basic logical progressions.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, jross said:

Referring to the Senate as DEI is a very Zohran like spin.  Clever and inaccurate.

Explain why.