Sr. Worlds... Day 3

[BAC]

1 hour ago, D3 for LU said:

2 points for Levi in the closing tics... needed more than that.

D3

I'm surprised they didn't do a YOLO "fleeing the hold" challenge at the end.  We've seen that call be made on a challenge, and the Greek dude definitely had his track shows on in the last 15-20 seconds.

[MPhillips]

16 minutes ago, boconnell said:

You need to look at what fact means. 

@nhs67 You officially have a stalker...

[BruceyB]

14 minutes ago, BAC said:

I'm surprised they didn't do a YOLO "fleeing the hold" challenge at the end.  We've seen that call be made on a challenge, and the Greek dude definitely had his track shows on in the last 15-20 seconds.

In real time I didn't think Greece did anything wrong at the end of the match other than stop wrestling a second too early and instead of giving 1 point on a step out, gave up two and looked like he was could have been sucked back for 2 more if another second was on the clock. 

[scribers]

What happened to that Chechnya monster from Bahrain?

[SocraTease]

11 minutes ago, scribers said:

What happened to that Chechnya monster from Bahrain?

He lost to Iranian (3-2 I think) to the Iranian, who Snyder will see in the finals.  The Iranian put a lot of pressure on him, as Iranians are wont to do with underhooks and pushouts.

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, boconnell said:

You need to look at what fact means.  He won on a score in the last 30 seconds.  It was an incredible win.  He's an incredible champion.  You don't have to make stuff up to improve on what happened because what happened was incredible.

I am not improving on anything.  His offense created 20/23 of the points scored in his match.

You don't have to like it.  It is still true.  That makes it a fact.

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, MPhillips said:

@nhs67 You officially have a stalker...

I am okay with that.  I have like 47 of them already.

[BruceyB]

23 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

I am not improving on anything.  His offense created 20/23 of the points scored in his match.

You don't have to like it.  It is still true.  That makes it a fact.

This take is, with all due respect, straight bananas. You originally said that the score should have been 20-3. Now you're saying that 20 of the 23 points were scored due to his being offensive. That is two very different things. I am still waiting for you to respond to how I scored the match on the previous page of this thread. I would have scored it 14-12 for Trent, so I actually had the match closer than the final score. 

Being offensive isn't beneficial if you're "creating" points for your opponent by doing so. Sincerely, please read my breakdown of the scoring and tell me what you believe the score should have been, regardless of whether the sequences were initiated by Trent's offense or not. I am genuinely curious how you would have scored it.

[nhs67]

31 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

This take is, with all due respect, straight bananas. You originally said that the score should have been 20-3. Now you're saying that 20 of the 23 points were scored due to his being offensive. That is two very different things. I am still waiting for you to respond to how I scored the match on the previous page of this thread. I would have scored it 14-12 for Trent, so I actually had the match closer than the final score. 

Being offensive isn't beneficial if you're "creating" points for your opponent by doing so. Sincerely, please read my breakdown of the scoring and tell me what you believe the score should have been, regardless of whether the sequences were initiated by Trent's offense or not. I am genuinely curious how you would have scored it.

You understand saying it is 20-3 and saying 20/23 offensive points are the same thing, right?  Those are the same numbers.

I have zero problem with the finals being 13-10 because the good guy won.

At this point, I honestly could care less about furthering this line of conjecture because, again, the good guy won.

I would rather celebrate with you than squabble with anybody over it.

I concede.

THICCLAY 4 PREZ

[MPhillips]

18 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Those are the same numbers.

Never explain yourself...

[GrandOlm]

North Korea must have some really smart and competent coaches. Isolated with very little to no outside cross training, and they still produce world level competitors.

[MPhillips]

1 minute ago, GrandOlm said:

North Korea must have some really smart and competent coaches. Isolated with very little to no outside cross training, and they still produce world level competitors.

Coaching and wrestling for their lives...

[nhs67]

14 minutes ago, GrandOlm said:

North Korea must have some really smart and competent coaches. Isolated with very little to no outside cross training, and they still produce world level competitors.

We assume they don't have help from their allies (Russia/Iran/China).

[boconnell]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

I am not improving on anything.  His offense created 20/23 of the points scored in his match.

You don't have to like it.  It is still true.  That makes it a fact.

You can go rescore the entire world championships for all the wrestlers based on who initiated action.  That still won't change the score of any match.  The actual score is not who initiated.  The actual score is who scored.

[Caveira]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I am not improving on anything.  His offense created 20/23 of the points scored in his match.

You don't have to like it.  It is still true.  That makes it a fact.

Taking a shot and getting tossed isn’t creating points boss.  At least for the shooter. 
 

he did great though.  Congrats on gold

Edited 4 hours ago by Caveira

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, boconnell said:

You can go rescore the entire world championships for all the wrestlers based on who initiated action.  That still won't change the score of any match.  The actual score is not who initiated.  The actual score is who scored.

Nah.

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Taking a shot and getting tossed isn’t creating points boss.  At least for the shooter. 
 

he did great though.  Congrats on gold

He did do great.  We agree there.

[boconnell]

2 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Nah.

You can disagree all you want.  It still doesn't change the actual scores. 

Hidlay was awesome.  He was the obvious aggressor.  I'd pick him by a wider margin in a rematch.  

[nhs67]

3 minutes ago, boconnell said:

You can disagree all you want.  It still doesn't change the actual scores. 

Hidlay was awesome.  He was the obvious aggressor.  I'd pick him by a wider margin in a rematch.  

I agree Hidlay was awesome.

Your take is still wrong aside for that.

[GrandOlm]

7 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Did Bahrain buy a team, btw?  They have so many wrestlers in medal matches, or close to it.

Yes. 

They have 0 wrestling culture and their native born talent is worse than non entities like the UK or the Dutch. 

[Truzzcat]

How do you guys think Amouzad would do at 70/74 if he dedicated time to putting on size? Feels like he is far and away the best guy in the world for about 3-4 minutes but the cut really seems to kill him to where he is just holding on the last few minutes. I think he would still be big at 70kg and while not big for 74kg a good enough size to where he could really weaponize his pace if he can hold that first period pace for 6 minutes.

[Eagle26]

17 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

How do you guys think Amouzad would do at 70/74 if he dedicated time to putting on size? Feels like he is far and away the best guy in the world for about 3-4 minutes but the cut really seems to kill him to where he is just holding on the last few minutes. I think he would still be big at 70kg and while not big for 74kg a good enough size to where he could really weaponize his pace if he can hold that first period pace for 6 minutes.

That’s a good thought… not sure if it’s the weight cut or just cardio, but it sure seems like the weight cut probably has something to do with it. At 70, I think he’d be a beast! Problem is it’s not an Olympic weight and I’m not sure he could fill out to be a full sized 74 any time soon. We all know 74 is LOADED, so I just can’t quite see him having the horsepower to compete them in the next year or two. But 2028 is still a long way off, so if he starts right now maybe that will be his best shot?

[boconnell]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

I agree Hidlay was awesome.

Your take is still wrong aside for that.

I don't have a take. Takes are opinions.  I don't have one here.

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We must have watched a different match.  The scoreboard might have read 13-10 at the end, but the actual score was 20-3.  The Russian did absolutely nothing the entire match in the form of offense.

Saying the score was the score is not a take.  Saying the score wasn't the actual score isn't a take.  You can value offense more than counter offense.  That's a take.  You can't say the actual score was 20-3.  That's not a take.  It's simply wrong and has been the whole time.  

Edited 58 minutes ago by boconnell

[Truzzcat]

1 minute ago, Eagle26 said:

That’s a good thought… not sure if it’s the weight cut or just cardio, but it sure seems like the weight cut probably has something to do with it. At 70, I think he’d be a beast! Problem is it’s not an Olympic weight and I’m not sure he could fill out to be a full sized 74 any time soon. We all know 74 is LOADED, so I just can’t quite see him having the horsepower to compete them in the next year or two. But 2028 is still a long way off, so if he starts right now maybe that will be his best shot?

He is kinda skinny but has a big back and really long limbs, certainly a better frame than chamizo to make that jump although I think Chamizo is more of an outlier in all regards than someone to base anything off of. Not sure of anyone else that has done it effectively.

[Eagle26]

3 minutes ago, Truzzcat said:

He is kinda skinny but has a big back and really long limbs, certainly a better frame than chamizo to make that jump although I think Chamizo is more of an outlier in all regards than someone to base anything off of. Not sure of anyone else that has done it effectively.

That’s true. Get him on Ghasempour’s strength training program or get him in with the Russian State Lab and he will be fine ha