BruceyB Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago 157 2001 2009 2014 2018 1st T.J. Williams Jordan Burroughs Alex Dieringer Jason Nolf 2nd Bryan Snyder Michael Poeta Dylan Ness Hayden Hidaley 3rd Shane Roller Jordan Leen James Green Tyler Berger 4th Luke Becker Gregor Gillespie Ian Miller Michael Kemerer 5th Eric Jorgenson Michael Chandler Derek St. John Alec Pantaleo 6th Kirk White Matt Moley Brian Realbuto Micah Jordan 7th Yoshi Nakamura Chase Pami Isaac Jordan Josh Shields 8th Gray Maynard Tyler Safratowich Anthony Perrotti Luke Zilverberg Not to sway any voters, but fun fact.. the 2014 podium crew (if my math is mathing) ended their careers with 28 AA honors.
nhs67 Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago Some of the others seem to have recency bias attached to the results... for this one I think 2018 is just simply the best bracket. 2014 is pretty lit, as well. "I know actually nothing. It isn't even conjecture at this point." - me
Gantry Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago (edited) That top4 in 2009 is absolutely incredible, going with that. Especially since I believe Leen and Gillespie had already been champs, this isn't a situation where someone places 7/8 as a frosh and becomes a monster later. Didn't Pami make the finals too? Edited 3 hours ago by Gantry
BruceyB Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Gantry said: That top4 in 2009 is absolutely incredible, going with that. Especially since I believe Leen and Gillespie had already been champs, this isn't a situation where someone places 7/8 as a frosh and becomes a monster later. Didn't Pami make the finals too? Correct! Gregor won the title in 2007 at 149, and Leen was the 157 champ the year before in 2008. And correct again, Pami made the finals the following year in 2010 where he fell to J.P. O'Connor.
BruceyB Posted 2 hours ago Author Posted 2 hours ago 2 hours ago, nhs67 said: Some of the others seem to have recency bias attached to the results... for this one I think 2018 is just simply the best bracket. 2014 is pretty lit, as well. I'm probably a little bias based on how much I loved watching those 2014 guys. The 1/4s match in 2015 with the OT scoring error between Ian Miller and Brian Realbuto is all time. Ness and Miller were appointment viewing. James Green was unbelievable but every year the question was whether or not he could get it done when it matters. Ringer was emerging as one of the best P4P wrestlers in D1. and that's not even mentioning that 2014 was returning NCAA champion Derek St. John's worse NCAA finish. But don't ask me where my vote went.
Antitroll2828 Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago What criteria do you use ? Total career AAs? Just a quick glance it seems 2011 has 3 ncaa champs with Bubba,DT and St.john and a finalist with Welch and a few other multi time AAs like Hall and Fleming is arguably better then 2018 in my opinion
BruceyB Posted 1 hour ago Author Posted 1 hour ago 7 minutes ago, Antitroll2828 said: What criteria do you use ? Total career AAs? Just a quick glance it seems 2011 has 3 ncaa champs with Bubba,DT and St.john and a finalist with Welch and a few other multi time AAs like Hall and Fleming is arguably better then 2018 in my opinion I don't use any sort of numerical data to make my picks. I try to find a balance between the star-power in the bracket and being realistic to who they were at the time. I'm glad you brought up the 2011 bracket because it's a great example of my thought process.. Yes, there are three champs in that bracket, and another finalist. However, DT, St. John, and Welch were all Freshman in this tournament. Wunderkind David Taylor had been on a bonus tear during that season, but many were still wondering how he would do against a guy like Steve Fittery, who, while very good, isn't a name many would know outside of hardcore fans. Adam Hall as well, many probably remember him as a very solid multi-time AA, but he's far from an all-time guy and was the top seed going into the tournament. IMO it's hard to consider a bracket for All-Time best when the top two seeds aren't particularly noteworthy. It's far from perfect as it's really my subjective opinion that is leading the cause, but that's why I am interested to hear others make the case for other years. I do the subjective analysis based on research and my personal bias, and then @Wrestleknownothing comes with the hard numbers. PS: Tomorrow has one of the most intriguing brackets so far, imo! Stay tuned.
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