Vito, Hamiti, and more in Poland next week

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All of these have been on the Mat 2 feed I believe 

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Long challenge and they give Switzerland 2, 2-2

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Stepout, 3-2 Hamiti

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Takedown, 5-2 Hamiti.  Another TD, 7-2.  I think an exposure, 9-2.

Takedown Switzerland, 9-4. And that’s how it ends.  Switzerland guy did have a Russian-sounding name.

Edited Sunday at 05:46 PM by 1032004

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Crazy ending in Ruiz match against Ukraine.  He was up 5-4 with less than 10 seconds to go, Ukraine was in on a shot then they have a weird exchange that’s first scored as 2 Ukraine putting Ukraine up 6-5.  US challenges and they score it 2-2 so Ruiz wins 7-6.

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[scourge165]

On 7/31/2025 at 7:17 AM, Truzzcat said:

I am still extremely high on Meyer 3,5 is definitely a letdown, which is crazy all things considered. If he can be healthy and get his mind in a good spot though his talent is undeniable. If Hamiti can build into a decent sized 86 I think he is a threat as well the way he moves is going to give the bigger guys a lot of issues.

Eh... maybe Wrestling less could help, but there's more concussions in Freestyle. I'm not sure what Shapiro's future looks like. He could definitely grow into a solid 163 or 74KG, but... I still like Duke with 3 years of PSU Wrestling and time to grow. He's so damn slick. 

One sleeper at 86KG is Sinclair. 3 more years of building his body up, he could be a great fit there. 

I like Hamiti a lot. I think he's a bit slicker than Mesenbrink, but life gets in the way for a lot of these guys. 

 

I'll also add, I don't know if Ross can do it in 3 years, but I think in 7 years, he is going to be a REAL threat. The kids are well on their way. 

[ScottishSteel]

17 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Brayton Lee wins 4-2 over guy from Ukraine.  Where is he training?  Singlet says Knights 

He was just hired as an assistant coach w/ Bellarmine so that would be where Knights comes from

[nhs67]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Eh... maybe Wrestling less could help, but there's more concussions in Freestyle. I'm not sure what Shapiro's future looks like. He could definitely grow into a solid 163 or 74KG, but... I still like Duke with 3 years of PSU Wrestling and time to grow. He's so damn slick. 

One sleeper at 86KG is Sinclair. 3 more years of building his body up, he could be a great fit there. 

I like Hamiti a lot. I think he's a bit slicker than Mesenbrink, but life gets in the way for a lot of these guys. 

 

I'll also add, I don't know if Ross can do it in 3 years, but I think in 7 years, he is going to be a REAL threat. The kids are well on their way. 

Well, not sure if it was first match jitters, or what - but Hamiti lost 10-0 to the same guy that Simon Ruiz beat 7-6.

That said, Mykhailov is a former Worlds Bronze medalist at 79 KG and was very competitive with medalists at 86 KG while trying to qualify at 86 KG - so perhaps that isn't such a bad loss (and maybe the Ruiz loss was bad for Mykhailov).  Especially since Mykhailov beat Zahid Valencia 8-6 at the 2023 Moustafa ranking series event.  

I still want to see Hamiti at 86 KG and on the DT regimen for growth in to 86 KG.  He has the frame for it.

I also want to see Shapiro at 74 KG because he just looks too big for 65 KG at this point.  Duke could add a little more and fill out to 74 KG and immediately impact our ladder - especially being in the same room as Monster Mitch, Haines, etc.

I think Ross, with some size, could be terrifying... if he can beat Mirasola.  I think a lot of folks are sleeping on Hopke.  I think he's going to be one of our main contenders at 125 KG for 2028. He has kind of been on the back-burner since he committed and has taken some losses, but he is still in what is probably the best HWT room in the country (still).

[Truzzcat]

27 minutes ago, nhs67 said:

Well, not sure if it was first match jitters, or what - but Hamiti lost 10-0 to the same guy that Simon Ruiz beat 7-6.

That said, Mykhailov is a former Worlds Bronze medalist at 79 KG and was very competitive with medalists at 86 KG while trying to qualify at 86 KG - so perhaps that isn't such a bad loss (and maybe the Ruiz loss was bad for Mykhailov).  Especially since Mykhailov beat Zahid Valencia 8-6 at the 2023 Moustafa ranking series event.  

I still want to see Hamiti at 86 KG and on the DT regimen for growth in to 86 KG.  He has the frame for it.

I also want to see Shapiro at 74 KG because he just looks too big for 65 KG at this point.  Duke could add a little more and fill out to 74 KG and immediately impact our ladder - especially being in the same room as Monster Mitch, Haines, etc.

I think Ross, with some size, could be terrifying... if he can beat Mirasola.  I think a lot of folks are sleeping on Hopke.  I think he's going to be one of our main contenders at 125 KG for 2028. He has kind of been on the back-burner since he committed and has taken some losses, but he is still in what is probably the best HWT room in the country (still).

was a bit shocked to see Dreshaun tech Hopke. Dreshauns ceiling seems insane however I am not sure he is completely all in on wrestling yet, and his shoulder injury history concerns me a bit.

[nhs67]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

was a bit shocked to see Dreshaun tech Hopke. Dreshauns ceiling seems insane however I am not sure he is completely all in on wrestling yet, and his shoulder injury history concerns me a bit.

I was shocked by it, too.  With Hopke's lack of mat-time I want to chock it up to health reasons.  I am not in the know, though.

[Ragu]

2 hours ago, nhs67 said:

and maybe the Ruiz loss was bad for Mykhailov

Ruiz has racked up some solid accolades this summer. A gold here from him certainly isn’t a shocker 

[nhs67]

47 minutes ago, Ragu said:

Ruiz has racked up some solid accolades this summer. A gold here from him certainly isn’t a shocker 

Hamiti beat him at WTT, though, via 5-3 Decision.  I wouldn't expect that drastically different a result a couple months later.

[Ragu]

3 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Hamiti beat him at WTT, though, via 5-3 Decision.  I wouldn't expect that drastically different a result a couple months later.

Hamiti had just competed recently before this. Albeit, just a dual meet. But he was probably exhausted. Hope he fills out to 86kg nicely

[scourge165]

18 hours ago, nhs67 said:

Well, not sure if it was first match jitters, or what - but Hamiti lost 10-0 to the same guy that Simon Ruiz beat 7-6.

That said, Mykhailov is a former Worlds Bronze medalist at 79 KG and was very competitive with medalists at 86 KG while trying to qualify at 86 KG - so perhaps that isn't such a bad loss (and maybe the Ruiz loss was bad for Mykhailov).  Especially since Mykhailov beat Zahid Valencia 8-6 at the 2023 Moustafa ranking series event.  

I still want to see Hamiti at 86 KG and on the DT regimen for growth in to 86 KG.  He has the frame for it.

I also want to see Shapiro at 74 KG because he just looks too big for 65 KG at this point.  Duke could add a little more and fill out to 74 KG and immediately impact our ladder - especially being in the same room as Monster Mitch, Haines, etc.

I think Ross, with some size, could be terrifying... if he can beat Mirasola.  I think a lot of folks are sleeping on Hopke.  I think he's going to be one of our main contenders at 125 KG for 2028. He has kind of been on the back-burner since he committed and has taken some losses, but he is still in what is probably the best HWT room in the country (still).

I'm not sure what to make of Hopke at this point. He clearly looked to be the top Wrestler at that weight for a while. I'd have placed him ahead of Keuter and Ross right now when he was coming off his Jr year. 

I just didn't see a jump his Jr to Sr year and then he was banged up at Minnesota and now we're seeing these guys taking a big leap. 

And for those who'll say I'm crazy, Kueter was better, I'm talking about...at the time, it looked like Hopke had a higher upside.

As for the rest, I didn't see Hamiti, I don't know if he gave up a TD and then 4 laces. You can get teched in FS of of one low single that someone transitions to a low single or you can just...not be in it. I try to not put too much weight on a single match(though in fairness, if he'd have beaten...Ghasempour up at 92, I'd have put a bit more weight in it(and that would also have required Hamiti to as well!). 

But I've seen enough of Hamiti to know what he's capable of.

As for Ross and Mirasola... they're not in the same league to me right now. Maybe TODAY Mirasola could beat him just by being more physical(I don't know he could, but for arguments sake) but Ross is just a far better athlete, he's so much longer and he's going to fill out. 

Watching him earlier on in HS, he looked like he had back problem. He looked like a hunch back. You only realized it was because his back was so damn big when he stood up. He just uncoils and attacks like a Cobra...and for a HWT, he's going to hit blast double on guys... and he can brawl and hand fight with them. 

Hell, I wouldn't be totally shocked if he tries going '97KG for the '28 cycle upon taking an OLY RS. If he's 235... I don't know, it may be a really bad idea, but if he just has to make the cut a couple times in a OLY RS year...211... it's not crazy and I think he he could be dangerous. I don't think that'll happen, but it's just something that popped into my mind. I thought Rowlands(who Ross reminds me of... but I think Ross has a more explosive and lower shot...we'll see if how that plays out given Rowlands is one of the greatest HWT Wrestlers ever and was himself a very athletic and mobile Wrestler) -went down one year in there, maybe two toward the end. He was just running into Mocco and had trouble taking 2 of 3 from Mocco because he was... just such a Monster and he wasn't just pushing, he had some slick stuff for guys who had to push back as hard as a guy like Rowlands did to hold center, namely that foot sweep. 

 

I also could have sworn one year Cormier Wrestled 96KG for Freestyle and 120 for Greco...finishing 1st in FS, but not qualifying for Greco, losing to Byers... but I'm thinking I got that wrong. Tryin to do both would be so insanely difficult, I must be mistaken. 

 

 

 

Finally, Shapiro... I just don't think he's got the mix of physicality and technique to do it. He has one. He's slicker than a greased up crack head(I'd imagine, I've never participated, but watching the sport, it looks quite difficult)... I just don't don't know if he will be able to stand in there vs Duke who you know is going to build himself into a GOOD sized 165... as presumably will Shapiro, but Duke I would anticipate having much more horse power and Shapiro... I'm sold on him as a GREAT Freestyle Wrestler. He could go 70-0 the next two years and I'd just say, 'ok, makes sense,' but Duke and the plethora of guys coming down(hell, Blaze may end up at 74KG further down the road as I think he has a lot of room to fill out, though I'd imagine he stays at 145.5)...

Oh, and Melvin Miller. Get HIM in a College room for a couple years. He may turn out to be a cycle later, but by the time he's done growing, he could be perfect for 79KG and then 86 and Duke's Defense isn't Blaze level, but watching him win a spot on the World Team and ALSO struggle with a kid coming off his Soph year in HS... there is SOOO much talent coming. Lockett. Hell, the longer I keep thinking, the most names I'm going to spit out. 

 

And I'm just throwing this out as a Dark Horse, but I would not be surprise to see Charlie Millard end up in this group... now by '28, but shortly thereafter. He reminds me a little of Sinclair, but he's a guy who cuts more, he's a little more intense and... I don't know, he just always felt like he belonged in the same conversation of Hopke, Sinclair, Mirasola's, Mesenbrink, Scholes(another stud), or O'Toole, PK, Wolbert.. just among the real studs from Wisconsin.  But that's a big time dark horse and I just want to be able to say "I called it," when he wins a spot in the 2029 World Team beating Ladarion Lockett to get to face Jayden James in a best of 3!

Edited 6 hours ago by scourge165

[scourge165]

18 hours ago, nhs67 said:

I still want to see Hamiti at 86 KG and on the DT regimen for growth in to 86 KG.  He has the frame for it.

Oh, one last thing. I still want to believe... BADLY that DT acquired that physique through relentless training and diet. That Trainor Labs(I know that's not the spelling, but you know who I mean) needs it's guys to stay clean as there's definitely a "guilt by association," type thing that happens with some of these guys. 

[nhs67]

4 hours ago, scourge165 said:

I'm not sure what to make of Hopke at this point. He clearly looked to be the top Wrestler at that weight for a while. I'd have placed him ahead of Keuter and Ross right now when he was coming off his Jr year. 

I just didn't see a jump his Jr to Sr year and then he was banged up at Minnesota and now we're seeing these guys taking a big leap. 

And for those who'll say I'm crazy, Kueter was better, I'm talking about...at the time, it looked like Hopke had a higher upside.

As for the rest, I didn't see Hamiti, I don't know if he gave up a TD and then 4 laces. You can get teched in FS of of one low single that someone transitions to a low single or you can just...not be in it. I try to not put too much weight on a single match(though in fairness, if he'd have beaten...Ghasempour up at 92, I'd have put a bit more weight in it(and that would also have required Hamiti to as well!). 

But I've seen enough of Hamiti to know what he's capable of.

As for Ross and Mirasola... they're not in the same league to me right now. Maybe TODAY Mirasola could beat him just by being more physical(I don't know he could, but for arguments sake) but Ross is just a far better athlete, he's so much longer and he's going to fill out. 

Watching him earlier on in HS, he looked like he had back problem. He looked like a hunch back. You only realized it was because his back was so damn big when he stood up. He just uncoils and attacks like a Cobra...and for a HWT, he's going to hit blast double on guys... and he can brawl and hand fight with them. 

Hell, I wouldn't be totally shocked if he tries going '97KG for the '28 cycle upon taking an OLY RS. If he's 235... I don't know, it may be a really bad idea, but if he just has to make the cut a couple times in a OLY RS year...211... it's not crazy and I think he he could be dangerous. I don't think that'll happen, but it's just something that popped into my mind. I thought Rowlands(who Ross reminds me of... but I think Ross has a more explosive and lower shot...we'll see if how that plays out given Rowlands is one of the greatest HWT Wrestlers ever and was himself a very athletic and mobile Wrestler) -went down one year in there, maybe two toward the end. He was just running into Mocco and had trouble taking 2 of 3 from Mocco because he was... just such a Monster and he wasn't just pushing, he had some slick stuff for guys who had to push back as hard as a guy like Rowlands did to hold center, namely that foot sweep. 

I also could have sworn one year Cormier Wrestled 96KG for Freestyle and 120 for Greco...finishing 1st in FS, but not qualifying for Greco, losing to Byers... but I'm thinking I got that wrong. Tryin to do both would be so insanely difficult, I must be mistaken. 

Finally, Shapiro... I just don't think he's got the mix of physicality and technique to do it. He has one. He's slicker than a greased up crack head(I'd imagine, I've never participated, but watching the sport, it looks quite difficult)... I just don't don't know if he will be able to stand in there vs Duke who you know is going to build himself into a GOOD sized 165... as presumably will Shapiro, but Duke I would anticipate having much more horse power and Shapiro... I'm sold on him as a GREAT Freestyle Wrestler. He could go 70-0 the next two years and I'd just say, 'ok, makes sense,' but Duke and the plethora of guys coming down(hell, Blaze may end up at 74KG further down the road as I think he has a lot of room to fill out, though I'd imagine he stays at 145.5)...

Oh, and Melvin Miller. Get HIM in a College room for a couple years. He may turn out to be a cycle later, but by the time he's done growing, he could be perfect for 79KG and then 86 and Duke's Defense isn't Blaze level, but watching him win a spot on the World Team and ALSO struggle with a kid coming off his Soph year in HS... there is SOOO much talent coming. Lockett. Hell, the longer I keep thinking, the most names I'm going to spit out. 

And I'm just throwing this out as a Dark Horse, but I would not be surprise to see Charlie Millard end up in this group... now by '28, but shortly thereafter. He reminds me a little of Sinclair, but he's a guy who cuts more, he's a little more intense and... I don't know, he just always felt like he belonged in the same conversation of Hopke, Sinclair, Mirasola's, Mesenbrink, Scholes(another stud), or O'Toole, PK, Wolbert.. just among the real studs from Wisconsin.  But that's a big time dark horse and I just want to be able to say "I called it," when he wins a spot in the 2029 World Team beating Ladarion Lockett to get to face Jayden James in a best of 3!

These are all fair and well-thought points, thank you.

I understand we are talking in just under three year's time, but Mirasola does hold the edge right now with three straight victories in the last few months (see attached).

That said, I acknowledge that Ross has unlimited potential due to his potential growth.  Ross weighed at 102.4 KG (so 225.7lbs, which makes the 'cut' down to 97 KG/213.8lbs that much more convenient) and Mirasola weighed in at 99.2 KG - so currently their weights aren't that wide apart.

I still think Hopke is likely set up to succeed, which I think the better depth we have - the better everyone is at the weight.  I also thought he was going to be that next guy and Steveson coming back was going to mask his Redshirt year real nice.  I still have a hard time envisioning Mirasola being better than him at this point, even if every result points to that.  I don't mean that as a sleight to Mirasola, but more a compliment because he has progressed quite a bit, even if he is only ~218lbs.

I could see Millard stepping in to a more prominent position on the senior level, he has that moxy.  He just needs to put it all together and stay healthy.  I don't think he's there now, but you see those flashes - much like Mizzou's Steed.

I also agree on Hamiti.  It's a one move world in MFS and I imagine that was exactly it.  I didn't watch the match myself, but I believe Roper, more or less, confirmed as much.  That was also more to say that Ruiz is right up there at or near that tier right now, too.

Shapiro is not a physical dynamo... but he could still be our best option at 74 KG after 2028 (maybe even then) were he to get any concussion issues behind him.  He's just so damn slick.  I know Duke looks the part, and is a physical dynamo, but Shapiro has done better against the upper echelon on the age-level than Duke has (one common opponent in Baitukaev, 8-0 victory for Shapiro and a 5-5 defeat for Duke)... but one opponent does not a pattern make.  I think Johnny D's result at 70 KG was due to lacking the horsepower to go with Duke in a three match series.  Shapiro might also have that problem.

[nhs67]

4 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Oh, one last thing. I still want to believe... BADLY that DT acquired that physique through relentless training and diet. That Trainor Labs(I know that's not the spelling, but you know who I mean) needs it's guys to stay clean as there's definitely a "guilt by association," type thing that happens with some of these guys. 

The biggest counter to the... 'allegations' ...?... that float with that, is that DT's tank cannot be overlooked.  Most folks who venture down that path have gas tank issues, don't they?

Also, I understand that Hamiti =/= Taylor.  Taylor had broad shoulders and was able to grow in to the weight.  Hamiti and Taylor might have the same wingspan, but Taylor is a good half a foot broader (or more) - which makes Hamiti's arms longer.  Just different sorts of scrawny frames to build off of.

[poorwrestler]

These are all fair and well-thought points, thank you.
I understand we are talking in just under three year's time, but Mirasola does hold the edge right now with three straight victories in the last few months (see attached).


That said, I acknowledge that Ross has unlimited potential due to his potential growth.  Ross weighed at 102.4 KG (so 225.7lbs, which makes the 'cut' down to 97 KG/213.8lbs that much more convenient) and Mirasola weighed in at 99.2 KG - so currently their weights aren't that wide apart.

I still think Hopke is likely set up to succeed, which I think the better depth we have - the better everyone is at the weight.  I also thought he was going to be that next guy and Steveson coming back was going to mask his Redshirt year real nice.  I still have a hard time envisioning Mirasola being better than him at this point, even if every result points to that.  I don't mean that as a sleight to Mirasola, but more a compliment because he has progressed quite a bit, even if he is only ~218lbs.
I could see Millard stepping in to a more prominent position on the senior level, he has that moxy.  He just needs to put it all together and stay healthy.  I don't think he's there now, but you see those flashes - much like Mizzou's Steed.
I also agree on Hamiti.  It's a one move world in MFS and I imagine that was exactly it.  I didn't watch the match myself, but I believe Roper, more or less, confirmed as much.  That was also more to say that Ruiz is right up there at or near that tier right now, too.
Shapiro is not a physical dynamo... but he could still be our best option at 74 KG after 2028 (maybe even then) were he to get any concussion issues behind him.  He's just so damn slick.  I know Duke looks the part, and is a physical dynamo, but Shapiro has done better against the upper echelon on the age-level than Duke has (one common opponent in Baitukaev, 8-0 victory for Shapiro and a 5-5 defeat for Duke)... but one opponent does not a pattern make.  I think Johnny D's result at 70 KG was due to lacking the horsepower to go with Duke in a three match series.  Shapiro might also have that problem.

Hopke tore his pec first week on campus his freshman year and is just getting back on the mat in the last couple months for the first time since.


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[Truzzcat]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

The biggest counter to the... 'allegations' ...?... that float with that, is that DT's tank cannot be overlooked.  Most folks who venture down that path have gas tank issues, don't they?

Also, I understand that Hamiti =/= Taylor.  Taylor had broad shoulders and was able to grow in to the weight.  Hamiti and Taylor might have the same wingspan, but Taylor is a good half a foot broader (or more) - which makes Hamiti's arms longer.  Just different sorts of scrawny frames to build off of.

Nitrogen retention and upregluation in MTOR to extreme degrees is not generally conducive to good cardio however there are a ton of peptide either injectable or nasal inhalants that can help improved your aerobic capacity and mitochondrial function as well as EPO. Not saying any of the training lab guys are doing so I am sure they leverage whatever they can within the rules just playing devils advocate.