Carter Starocci becomes the third Penn State wrestler to be voted B1G Jesse Owens Male Athlete of the Year!

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Do we think someone other than Syd Bartlett filed the complaint?

(I’m not trying to imply the allegations are false, just curious)

It feels like she's the only person driving this entire thing.  Seems like Beau doesn't even really want to be involved.

[Caveira]

4 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

It feels like she's the only person driving this entire thing.  Seems like Beau doesn't even really want to be involved.

Really?  This is basically last week.   Who is cpyles again?

 

Edited Friday at 02:58 PM by Caveira

[1032004]

10 minutes ago, ionel said:

What complaint? 

SafeSport 

[VakAttack]

21 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

My point is, regardless of the outcome, there will be no change in action on your part.  I.e. if Starocci is totally cleared you won't be here issuing a retraction or deleting all your accusatory posts about the topic.  So you will just continue to spew venom and spread accusations because there's no downside for you to do so.

"Answer this incredibly complicated hypothetical without knowing any contextual details right now" screams the troll who can't hold the bit thru this scenario.

[MJD]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

My point is, regardless of the outcome, there will be no change in action on your part.  I.e. if Starocci is totally cleared you won't be here issuing a retraction or deleting all your accusatory posts about the topic.  So you will just continue to spew venom and spread accusations because there's no downside for you to do so.

I'm not sure why anyone would be expected to retract their comments if someone is cleared. We're not a court law. Furthermore, people can be cleared of things and still be guilty (for example, OJ) 

[ionel]

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

Do we think someone other than Syd Bartlett filed the complaint?

(I’m not trying to imply the allegations are false, just curious)

 

2 hours ago, ionel said:

What complaint? 

 

2 hours ago, 1032004 said:

SafeSport 

I haven't seen reported that anything was filed with SafeSport.  But if there were how would Syd B be in a position to do so?

[1032004]

37 minutes ago, ionel said:

 

 

I haven't seen reported that anything was filed with SafeSport.  But if there were how would Syd B be in a position to do so?

Well according to SafeSport, anyone can file a complaint.

https://uscenterforsafesport.org/report-a-concern/

However, Starocci does not appear to be listed on their site with a current complaint.  The screenshot going around that was posted on this forum which I’m sure you’ve seen is apparently actually from USA Wrestling (maybe you knew this and were just looking for a gotcha).

https://www.usawmembership.com/ineligible/interim_membership_suspension
 

This is a list of people who, according to the site, have had complaints filed with either SafeSport or USA Wrestling.  If not SafeSport, then it had to be through USA Wrestling.  And it appears anyone can file a complaint through them also.

https://www.themat.com/how-to-report-misconduct

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

18 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Well according to SafeSport, anyone can file a complaint.

https://uscenterforsafesport.org/report-a-concern/

However, Starocci does not appear to be listed on their site with a current complaint.  The screenshot going around that was posted on this forum which I’m sure you’ve seen is apparently actually from USA Wrestling (maybe you knew this and were just looking for a gotcha).

https://www.usawmembership.com/ineligible/interim_membership_suspension
 

This is a list of people who, according to the site, have had complaints filed with either SafeSport or USA Wrestling.  If not SafeSport, then it had to be through USA Wrestling.  And it appears anyone can file a complaint through them also.

https://www.themat.com/how-to-report-misconduct

Maybe @Caveira can file a complaint?

Edited Friday at 06:43 PM by Jimmy Cinnabon

[Caveira]

21 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Maybe @Caveira can file a complaint?

Maybe Carl could have filed one when it was reported.  
 

besides.  I wouldn’t know how.   And it appears one was filed already by someone.  
 

do you believe in protecting women from sexual abuses ?   Or nah passes for those cause they have a good single leg or stall ride?

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

45 minutes ago, Caveira said:

Maybe Carl could have filed one when it was reported.  
 

besides.  I wouldn’t know how.   And it appears one was filed already by someone.  
 

do you believe in protecting women from sexual abuses ?   Or nah passes for those cause they have a good single leg or stall ride?

I thought Mrs. Bartlett's post said no reports were filed?  Now someone filed one?

 

I think you are a bit mixed up.  The alleged conduct that was supposedly reported to the coaches was against male members of the wrestling team.

[scribers]

Wrestling has lost the narrative on sportsmanship 

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I thought Mrs. Bartlett's post said no reports were filed?  Now someone filed one?

 

She said there was not one filed “prior to June”

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I thought Mrs. Bartlett's post said no reports were filed?  Now someone filed one?

 

I think you are a bit mixed up.  The alleged conduct that was supposedly reported to the coaches was against male members of the wrestling team.

Don’t wanna re litigate.  I think.  (I am too lazy to verify so I may be wrong) beau’s post on bwi mentioned the underage stuff.   The sexual stuff.  The alleged rape-ish stuff and the male molesting stuff were reported to the coaching staff.  In either case Carl has to report all and + the male molestation stuff. 
 

are you condoning ignoring physically forced male molestation from large (184 lb) wrestlers on smaller (141 lb) wrestlers does not need to be reported?    
 

Are you saying Carl isn’t toast if he didn’t report this?

Edited Friday at 09:25 PM by Caveira

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Don’t wanna re litigate.  I think.  (I am too lazy to verify so I may be wrong) beau’s post on bwi mentioned the underage stuff.   The sexual stuff.  The alleged rape-ish stuff and the male molesting stuff were reported to the coaching staff.  In either case Carl has to report all and + the male molestation stuff. 
 

are you condoning ignoring physically forced male molestation from large (184 lb) wrestlers on smaller (141 lb) wrestlers does not need to be reported?    
 

Are you saying Carl isn’t toast if he didn’t report this?

And where are the "journalist" in this?  They don't have to ask Carl what he reported they only need to ask did you make a report when it was reported to you?  If Cael declines to comment (that is worth noting) then ask the AD if a report was made/recieved?  If the AD says "no comment" then include that in the article and ask the chancellor or president if there is an on going investigation and why won't your AD or coach comment?  

[headshuck]

I remember back in the day when JRob was bucking Title IX the campus newspaper hounded him relentlessly.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

Don’t wanna re litigate.  I think.  (I am too lazy to verify so I may be wrong) beau’s post on bwi mentioned the underage stuff.   The sexual stuff.  The alleged rape-ish stuff and the male molesting stuff were reported to the coaching staff.  In either case Carl has to report all and + the male molestation stuff. 
 

are you condoning ignoring physically forced male molestation from large (184 lb) wrestlers on smaller (141 lb) wrestlers does not need to be reported?    
 

Are you saying Carl isn’t toast if he didn’t report this?

Ok, so now someone says reports were filed.  We don't know that those reports contained, so all of what you said may be a moot point.

I agree that Cael would have to report allegations that he received directly from a wrestler of his, but show me how you are concluding that Cael (1) actually was told about the underage stuff and (2) why he would have an obligation to report alleged conduct toward an unknown third party that he supposedly learned about third hand?

[ionel]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Ok, so now someone says reports were filed.  We don't know that those reports contained, so all of what you said may be a moot point.

I agree that Cael would have to report allegations that he received directly from a wrestler of his, but show me how you are concluding that Cael (1) actually was told about the underage stuff and (2) why he would have an obligation to report alleged conduct toward an unknown third party that he supposedly learned about third hand?

Video footage of underage entering locker room and sauna. 

[Caveira]

35 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Ok, so now someone says reports were filed.  We don't know that those reports contained, so all of what you said may be a moot point.

I agree that Cael would have to report allegations that he received directly from a wrestler of his, but show me how you are concluding that Cael (1) actually was told about the underage stuff and (2) why he would have an obligation to report alleged conduct toward an unknown third party that he supposedly learned about third hand?

Your post is silly.  This is a sexual abuse case.  You can’t prove he did tell Carl.  You can’t prove he did not.  We mere mortals don’t know.  I defend the women who claim they were abused.   And the men.  

 

How tf do any of us know for a fact what was said.  This is why women are afraid to come forward when they are abused btw.   People like you.  
 

to your #2.  He is bound by college ncaa etc rules.  If he didn’t report a sexual abuse accusation and they somehow prove he didn’t report it he is literally toast at psu and imo as a coach forever. Notice I said accusation.  
 

All.   All.   All. Any.  Any.  Any.  Sexual abuse related accusations must be reported if he was told.  End of story.    Not a police / jail / legal requirement but a coach requirement.  It’s not debatable. If your debating this your silly. 

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, Caveira said:

why he would have an obligation to report alleged conduct toward an unknown third party that he supposedly learned about third hand?

This sentence needs examination.   
 

coach.  What’s up.  
 

scenario1:   Ya.  I saw:heard:was told a teammate he was raped in the rear end by another one of our team members.    Coach.  Well man.  Since it’s a third party I don’t know.  I’ll say nothing.  
 

scenario2:

coach.   Ya.  What’s up.   I saw:heard:was told a teammate had a high school girl in here …   And it got sexual.   She is 17    

scenario3:

coach.  Ya what’s up.   I heard a teammate raped someone.    Maybe even that 17 year old above.  
 

if all 3 of these aren’t reported and your defending Carl.  You are  a special person.   if this is the answer to all 3 scenarios your a bad person for defending Carl here :

Carl:   (Allegedly) Well man.  Since it’s a third party I don’t know.  I’ll say nothing.  

Edited Saturday at 12:32 AM by Caveira

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

My question is simple. Show me in writing the obligation for a NCAA coach to make formal reports based on “hey I heard a teammate did X”. Because all three of your hypotheticals are based solely on hearsay. Look up what hearsay means because I’m 99% sure you don’t know what it is. 

[Caveira]

7 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

My question is simple. Show me in writing the obligation for a NCAA coach to make formal reports based on “hey I heard a teammate did X”. Because all three of your hypotheticals are based solely on hearsay. Look up what hearsay means because I’m 99% sure you don’t know what it is. 

It 3 million percent is.  You show me it isn’t.  Your argument is wrong.  Your argument is anti female suffering.  And you’re probably just trolling.  So no. I’m not googling for you. 
 

this isn’t court.  This is college.  This is law suit preventative central.  

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

25 minutes ago, Caveira said:

It 3 million percent is.  You show me it isn’t.  Your argument is wrong.  Your argument is anti female suffering.  And you’re probably just trolling.  So no. I’m not googling for you. 
 

this isn’t court.  This is college.  This is law suit preventative central.  

Reporting obligations are based on specific written rules, not your arbitrary sense of moral outrage driven by your hatred of a particular college wrestling program.

[ionel]

34 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

“hey I heard a teammate did X”. 

Where are you getting the "heard a teammate did ... " when BB seems to be saying he reported what happened to him plus other supporting info?  

[okokzach]

37 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

My question is simple. Show me in writing the obligation for a NCAA coach to make formal reports based on “hey I heard a teammate did X”. Because all three of your hypotheticals are based solely on hearsay. Look up what hearsay means because I’m 99% sure you don’t know what it is. 

What about, "hey coach, this guy took photos of me coming out of the team showers and disseminated them all without my consent." Do you think that would require reporting? 

[pawrestler]

3 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

Reporting obligations are based on specific written rules, not your arbitrary sense of moral outrage driven by your hatred of a particular college wrestling program.

A mandatory reporter is required to report any information they are made aware of. There is no grey area here. If you are in a position of power or authority at a university and you hear something second hand, you must report it

https://www.uncp.edu/sites/default/files/2021-08/Mandatory Reporter Quick Reference Guide_0.pdf