Brooks story: True or False?

[Eagle26]

10 hours ago, wrestlingshoe said:

Not true. I am a Lutheran (Christian) who leaves room for other beliefs. How do we know that God didn't reveal himself to other people in different forms, with different names. And I am not the only one to believe this

In John 14:6, Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” You are free to interpret that as you choose, but most Christians believe that means Jesus is the only way to get to heaven. The Great Commission (see Matthew 28:18-20) commands follows of Christ to share their faith. So Brooks is doing what he believes his religion is telling him to do. 

Now, I personally don’t believe he went about it in the right way. Generally, argumentative statements and simply telling others they are wrong doesn’t make people change their mind. But a 23 year old speaking their mind without being the most tactful is something I can excuse. I believe most Muslims would understand this as well. 
 

Regarding his use of a banned substance, it seems consistent with this behavior… doing/saying things without thinking it through. That’s not an excuse for him and he absolutely should face the consequences. Just makes me believe he is not trying to cheat and hide it/lie about it. I believe he made a very bad thoughtless and careless mistake (again). 

[Husker_Du]

2 hours ago, Eagle26 said:

I believe most Muslims would understand this as well. 

most muslims would understand that b/c they say the exact same thing, just about Allah instead of God.

from where i sit, it's white american atheists with coexist bumper stickers who are the ones with their panties a bunch over it.

[1032004]

4 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

you guys have the same energy/hate for the many muslims that say, essentially, the same thing as Brooks but in reverse?

the bottom line is that's what they believe. 

i find it funny that the same class of people that scream inclusion and acceptance vilify people for their words.

and in this instance, selectively. 

did i like the comment? no.

do i like when others subjugate my beliefs? no.

but to each, their own. it harms me none.

Do many Muslims say Jesus is a false prophet?

Edited 5 hours ago by 1032004

[Hammerlock3]

12 hours ago, Caveira said:

He’s saying.  As all are.  Brooks was very offensive to Muslims.  

I maintain he wasn't. At least no more than a muslim is offensive to him.

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

from where i sit, it's white american atheists with coexist bumper stickers who are the ones with their panties a bunch over it.

It seems like a lot of people are pissed off at Brooks for stating the core tenant of his value structure, which doesn't sound like tolerance to me....

Again the reality is this is political. People hear him say that feed it into their TDS machine and it tells them to get self righteous for the 12th time this week.  

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

most muslims would understand that b/c they say the exact same thing, just about Allah instead of God.

from where i sit, it's white american atheists with coexist bumper stickers who are the ones with their panties a bunch over it.

It's well known that when someone resorts to ad hominem attacks, they've lost their argument.

[Husker_Du]

it's not ad hominen ffs. there's plenty of substance in there.

you poptarts aren't thinking this through and want to be outraged.

Brooks stated what the Christian beliefs are. Muslims state what Islamic beliefs are.

if it's an atrocity, what do you say for yourselves when you scoff at the existence of any higher power?

are you telling all muslims and christians they're full of sh!t?

wow. what an affront!

Muslims: "Muhammed is the true prophet!"

Wokesters: "well, that's their belief"

Christians: "Jesus is the one true prophet!"

Wokesters: "that is an affront to muslims!"

Wokesters: "All religion is contrived. simply hogwash"

you haven't thought this all the way through, brainiacs. 

i can't believe you just offended believers of all faiths. how dare you. 

[Window12]

Whilst I am not religious and actually don’t wish to defend any sort of faith it’s worth mentioning that Muslims do revere Jesus as a prophet and consider him the Messiah coming back in the day of judgement.You won’t find religious Muslim disparaging Jesus. There is a good summary from ChatGPT

 

In Islam, Jesus (known as *'Isa* in Arabic) is highly revered as one of the greatest prophets, but not considered divine. Here's a summary of the general Muslim beliefs about Jesus:

*Core Beliefs:*

1. *Prophet, Not God*:  
   Muslims believe Jesus was a *mighty prophet and messenger of God*, not the son of God or divine.

2. ****I have a limited vocabulary*** Birth*:  
   Like Christianity, Islam teaches that Jesus was born miraculously to *Mary (Maryam)*, a ***I have a limited vocabulary***, by the will of God.

3. *No Crucifixion*:  
   The *majority Muslim belief* is that *Jesus was not crucified*. Instead, it appeared so to people, and *God raised him to heaven*. This is based on the Qur'an (Surah An-Nisa 4:157-158).

4. *Miracles*:  
   Jesus performed many *miracles* by God’s permission, such as healing the blind and lepers and bringing the dead to life.

5. *Not the Son of God*:  
   Islam strictly emphasizes *monotheism (Tawhid)* and rejects the idea of the Trinity or divine sonship.

6. *Second Coming*:  
   Muslims believe that Jesus will *return before the Day of Judgment* to restore justice and defeat the false messiah (al-Dajjal).

7. *Scripture*:  
   Jesus was given a divine book called the *Injil* (Gospel), which Muslims believe has been altered over time.

*Respect and Titles*:
 

Jesus is referred to as *'Isa ibn Maryam (Jesus, son of Mary)*, *al-Masih (the Messiah)*, *Ruh Allah (Spirit from God)*, and *Kalimatullah (Word of God)* — all emphasizing his honor without implying divinity.

Let me know if you’d like Qur’anic references or how these beliefs compare with Christian views.

[Caveira]

1 hour ago, BigRedFan said:

It's well known that when someone resorts to ad hominem attacks, they've lost their argument.

The statement is an ad hominem fallacy—specifically a “circumstantial” attack—because it dismisses concerns by targeting who is expressing them (white American atheists with “coexist” bumper stickers), not what is being argued. According to logic standards, that’s a textbook example of ad hominem 

[BigRedFan]

1 hour ago, BigRedFan said:

it's white american atheists with coexist bumper stickers who are the ones with their panties a bunch over it.

This is not ad hominem?  I give up.  I can't compete with your superior intellect.

[1032004]

1 hour ago, Husker_Du said:

it's not ad hominen ffs. there's plenty of substance in there.

you poptarts aren't thinking this through and want to be outraged.

Brooks stated what the Christian beliefs are. Muslims state what Islamic beliefs are.

if it's an atrocity, what do you say for yourselves when you scoff at the existence of any higher power?

are you telling all muslims and christians they're full of sh!t?

wow. what an affront!

Muslims: "Muhammed is the true prophet!"

Wokesters: "well, that's their belief"

Christians: "Jesus is the one true prophet!"

Wokesters: "that is an affront to muslims!"

Wokesters: "All religion is contrived. simply hogwash"

you haven't thought this all the way through, brainiacs. 

i can't believe you just offended believers of all faiths. how dare you. 

If he had just said “Jesus is the one true prophet,” I don’t think he would have gotten much backlash.  It was adding in the “no false prophets, no Muhammad no anyone else” line that crossed the line IMO.

[Window12]

1 minute ago, BigRedFan said:

This is not ad hominem?  I give up.  I can't compete with your superior intellect.

I think he is agreeing with you - saying it’s an ad ‘hominem fallacy’ in logic textbooks ,but a ‘circumantial attack’ - ie attack against who is saying something rather than what is being said

[Wrasslin]

Crazy to think that this was the first post of this thread: If true: dirty, dirty, dirty.

...and here we are now! 

[Husker_Du]

13 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

If he had just said “Jesus is the one true prophet,” I don’t think he would have gotten much backlash.  It was adding in the “no false prophets, no Muhammad no anyone else” line that crossed the line IMO.

i get it.

i certainly understand the distaste for that.

i just don't think it's a big deal when someone tells you what their convictions are, even if i disagree with them. 

there are plenty of muslims who publicly say non-believers should be wiped out.

there are plenty of atheists who roll their eyes at any notion of a god.

idk, maybe it's just me, but it doesn't invoke outrage.

[Husker_Du]

23 minutes ago, BigRedFan said:

This is not ad hominem?  I give up.  I can't compete with your superior intellect.

that's not an ad hominen, Confucius. 

it's germane to the argument. the ones expressing outrage are hypocritical/selective with it. 

[Window12]

2 minutes ago, Wrasslin said:

Crazy to think that this was the first post of this thread: If true: dirty, dirty, dirty.

...and here we are now! 

60 million years ago the dinosaurs went extinct and here we are now because rodent like mammals survived then thrived then evolved.

 

[1032004]

12 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

i get it.

i certainly understand the distaste for that.

i just don't think it's a big deal when someone tells you what their convictions are, even if i disagree with them. 

there are plenty of muslims who publicly say non-believers should be wiped out.

there are plenty of atheists who roll their eyes at any notion of a god.

idk, maybe it's just me, but it doesn't invoke outrage.

Fair enough.   Better tell this to the many conservatives that think Mamdani shouldn’t be mayor of NYC because he’s a Muslim though.

[Husker_Du]

as if that's the prevailing reason he shouldn't be mayor.

[BruceyB]

2 hours ago, Husker_Du said:

if it's an atrocity, what do you say for yourselves when you scoff at the existence of any higher power?

If I were on primetime ESPN and asked what it took to win a national title, and chose that moment to say "It was all me, there is no God, no Allah, no nothin'. The only way you can reach your goals is to believe in yourself." Then yes, I would scoff at myself.

[Hammerlock3]

1 hour ago, 1032004 said:

If he had just said “Jesus is the one true prophet,” I don’t think he would have gotten much backlash.  It was adding in the “no false prophets, no Muhammad no anyone else” line that crossed the line IMO.

Yeah but there is no logical space between the two statements. It gets about a 2 on "out of line but true" meter. We can't be holding our athletes to this level of scrutiny its a waste of time.

[Hammerlock3]

56 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

Fair enough.   Better tell this to the many conservatives that think Mamdani shouldn’t be mayor of NYC because he’s a Muslim though.

ad hominem!