Why don't we sell (or lease) Israel 2 B2 stealth bombers and 4 or 5 of the GBU-57 (MOP) bombs. We can throw in a couple of pilots.

[Paul158]

B-2's are 2.2 billion dollars each and the bombs are 4 million each. I'm sure we could find some retired B-2 pilots who would like to run a few missions. That takes America out of the loop then. Isreal can do the clean up after the bombs are dropped. No American soldiers or planes would be involved in the mission then. Except for the retired Pilots. We could buy the Bombers back at some point. 

[WrestlingRasta]

So…..American weapons flown by American pilots. 

[Tripnsweep]

I don't think a repeat of the Flying Tigers would be such a good idea. 

[Paul158]

17 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

So…..American weapons flown by American pilots. 

If I sell you my truck, it becomes your truck. If you hire a chauffeur (or pilot) to drive it, he is your chauffeur. It's your truck and your driver. if I sell (or give) you give 200 lbs. of beef brisket for you to smoke, it is your brisket. If I'm not mistaken, we sell billions (318.7 billion in 2024 alone) of dollars military equipment to dozens of countries around the world.

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missed a word

[WrestlingRasta]

1 minute ago, Paul158 said:

If I sell my truck, it becomes your truck. If you hire a chauffeur (or pilot) to drive it he is your chauffeur. It's your truck and your driver. if I sell (or give) you give 200 lbs. of beef brisket, it is your brisket. If I'm not mistaken, we sell billions (318.7 billion) of dollars military equipment to dozens of countries around the world.

Honest question, not trying to be argumentative but just thinking it through.......do you think the fundamentalist whack jobs who like to strap bombs to their chests really give a damn about my brisket?  

Trying to wordplay it is all nice and cozy, but to them it doesn't matter.   No matter how you try to wordplay it, the fact is your scenario is American weapons flown by American pilots, and that's all the fundamentalist whack jobs who like to strap bombs to their chest would see.  Just sayin...

[Bigbrog]

I hope we stay out of this mess

[Paul158]

6 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Honest question, not trying to be argumentative but just thinking it through.......do you think the fundamentalist whack jobs who like to strap bombs to their chests really give a damn about my brisket?  

Trying to wordplay it is all nice and cozy, but to them it doesn't matter.   No matter how you try to wordplay it, the fact is your scenario is American weapons flown by American pilots, and that's all the fundamentalist whack jobs who like to strap bombs to their chest would see.  Just sayin...

I happen to think my idea is a pretty good solution to the situation at hand. WE have sold over 1000 F-35's to other countries. We have sold over 3100 F-16's to other countries. How they use them it is up to them.

[WrestlingRasta]

Just now, Paul158 said:

I happen to think my idea is a pretty good solution to the situation at hand. WE have sold over 1000 F-35's to other countries. We have sold over 3100 F-16's to other countries. How they use them it is up to them.

I'm not trying to force you what to think, just saying what you think and what fundamentalist whack jobs who like to strap bombs to their chest and kill innocent Americans think, is probably different.  

 

7 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I hope we stay out of this mess

Couldn't agree more.  History is supposed to teach us lessons. 

[headshuck]

Qatar has a spare 747.

[Bigbrog]

Just now, WrestlingRasta said:

Couldn't agree more.  History is supposed to teach us lessons. 

agreed!

[WrestlingRasta]

Just now, headshuck said:

Qatar has a spare 747.

hahaha  well played.

[Paul158]

8 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

I hope we stay out of this mess

I would like too also. But I'm not sure that diplomacy will prevail. I hope it does.

[Scouts Honor]

i would rather isreal weaken them so much that the people of Iran can finish the job

[fishbane]

I don't think the US has ever sold a B2 to another nation.  There were only like 20 of them ever built.  I don't think selling Israel 10% of these is a solid idea or having them sort out the pilot situation by hiring retired pilots who maybe haven't flown it in years.  

It would all be pointless.  All these machinations wouldn't involve us any less in the eyes of Iran or anyone else.  We'd just be putting two B2s (that we are definitely going to want back) at greater risk by selling them to Israel and having retired pilots operate them to create a paper trail no one is going to care about.

[Paul158]

3 minutes ago, fishbane said:

I don't think the US has ever sold a B2 to another nation.  There were only like 20 of them ever built.  I don't think selling Israel 10% of these is a solid idea or having them sort out the pilot situation by hiring retired pilots who maybe haven't flown it in years.  

It would all be pointless.  All these machinations wouldn't involve us any less in the eyes of Iran or anyone else.  We'd just be putting two B2s (that we are definitely going to want back) at greater risk by selling them to Israel and having retired pilots operate them to create a paper trail no one is going to care about.

Bottom line in a week or two, Fordow and Natanz will be gone one way or another.

[Scouts Honor]

one can hope

[fishbane]

24 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Bottom line in a week or two, Fordow and Natanz will be gone one way or another.

If done on that timeline via an air strike it will be with American munitions dropped from American planes flown by American pilots.  Any ridiculous paper trail to try and obfuscate that through selling/leasing/rebuying serves on purpose.

[Paul158]

1 hour ago, fishbane said:

If done on that timeline via an air strike it will be with American munitions dropped from American planes flown by American pilots.  Any ridiculous paper trail to try and obfuscate that through selling/leasing/rebuying serves on purpose.

Just an idea. Plausible deniability. We didn't know anything. Sergent Schultz syndrome.

[Tripnsweep]

31 minutes ago, Paul158 said:

Just an idea. Plausible deniability. We didn't know anything. Sergent Schultz syndrome.

There's no way anyone with more than two brain cells wouldn't think we were behind it if we actually did this. The reason I mentioned the Flying Tigers was because that is exactly what we did to Japan in the late 30's by allowing Army Air pilots and crew to resign and "volunteer" under Claire Chennault in China. Everyone knew exactly what we were doing. 

[Offthemat]

To what end, as it’s widely believed that Iran has, by now, moved its enriched nuclear bomb making uranium to some unknown location?  Taking out Fordow may stop some enrichment for a while, but it doesn’t necessarily mean they can’t build a dozen or so nuclear bombs.

[Bigbrog]

And I heard something about that China is helping Iran right now?

[Offthemat]

4 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

And I heard something about that China is helping Iran right now?

At least three Chinese 747s flew into Iran.  Communications jamming equipment is on the list of likely payload.  No telling what else. 

[WrestlingRasta]

It seems to me the same people who don't want us involved in Ukraine because we don't want to get into WW3, also want to bomb the hell out of Iran, who is closely aligned with Russia and China.....even though Iran is nowhere closer to a nuke that could threaten us than they were years ago, according to our own intelligence agencies.  

[mspart]

One thing I don't understand yet is why does it have to be a B2 that drops this bunker buster?   Is it that the bomb is too big for other bombers?  Is it the stealth?   B1 is faster and has some stealth, why can it not be used.   B52, ya no.  

mspart

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, mspart said:

why does it have to be a B2

From what I’ve gathered, yes, it’s too big for other bombers and the B2 is the only one designed to deploy it with the guidance system able to accomplish accuracy.