Will we be using the CBU-57 bomb or will Iran get to the table and negotiate. Time is running out.

[Scouts Honor]

13 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Oh Lil Jimmy, what's cute is I'M not the one saying they were following the agreement, it was the TRUMP administrations State Department that said they were following the agreement.

You DO know they have several names for it(and even people liking your post know you don't have a clue, you're a dancing monkey). 

really... say that again?

it says here...

he doesn't realize that yes mossad, said they were weeks away, but echoing those sentiments means they agree.

[scourge165]

On 6/19/2025 at 6:43 AM, red viking said:

That's 150% false. I can tell tight there you've spoken to few if any. 

 

Red... I can't take you seriously on this issue anymore than I can Scout/Jimmy. 

 

It's "150% false," to say Iranian people support Israel over the regime?

 

When did you travel to Iran, how did you speak to these people? Because if you're talking about ALL these Middle Eastern people you speak to, and you've spoken to a lot of Iranians, I would be SHOCKED if you've spoken to 1 IN 10 that's been more supportive of the Iranian Govt unles you're going to tell me you've traveled to Iran(and I'd think you'd mention that). 

 

Also, the 'trust me, people are saying,' is about as Trump-ish as you can get. You can look at the numbers which are ALWAYS going to skew in FAVOR of the Ayatollah as people are so scared of their secret police or reprisals for speaking out against their own Govt'...

 

You can hate your leader...but right NOW you can write whatever the hell you want about him. You can go protest and they're not going to take them, beat them, maiming and VERY possibly killing them. 

We may get arrested for such a protest.

The Glib nature in which you just throw Iran in with "that region" or "the Middle East," as if there's nothing differentiating them is....well, it's Scout/Jimmy-esque. 

[mspart]

Actually it is RV-esque.    He offers such insights all the time.  

mspart

 

 

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

really... say that again?

it says here...

he doesn't realize that yes mossad, said they were weeks away, but echoing those sentiments means they agree.

Oh Jesus Jimmy/Scout, are you capable of independent thought?

THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS MY ENTIRE LIFETIME.

 

You claim to be this educated, comfortable, retired...informed person(which...I don't think anyone is buying, at least on the last one). But you're really deferring from our Military Intelligence and deferring to Mossad?

How many times do you fall for this?

They've been claiming this SINCE THE LATE 70's!

But now you just blindly defer to Mossad? Ok, then get rid of Tulsi. She's not doing her job. 

 

-Of course, AGAIN, going back to the original point...it is just purely hypocritical to claim Iran does not follow their obligations when the TRUMP administration said they were in 2018 when they pulled out of the agreement. THAT was my argument and you're just arguing based on what? BOTH Trump administrations are right? Then you must really not believe them at all anymore, right?

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84

 

 

 

 

[scourge165]

10 minutes ago, mspart said:

Actually it is RV-esque.    He offers such insights all the time.  

mspart

 

 

On some issues... he's definitely like a couple other posters on here who will take someone who follows Hassan, the actual tanking, communist defender on the far left.

He's just the other side of the coin from Scout on SOME of these issues. 

[Scouts Honor]

16 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Oh Jesus Jimmy/Scout, are you capable of independent thought?

THEY HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS MY ENTIRE LIFETIME.

 

You claim to be this educated, comfortable, retired...informed person(which...I don't think anyone is buying, at least on the last one). But you're really deferring from our Military Intelligence and deferring to Mossad?

How many times do you fall for this?

They've been claiming this SINCE THE LATE 70's!

But now you just blindly defer to Mossad? Ok, then get rid of Tulsi. She's not doing her job. 

 

-Of course, AGAIN, going back to the original point...it is just purely hypocritical to claim Iran does not follow their obligations when the TRUMP administration said they were in 2018 when they pulled out of the agreement. THAT was my argument and you're just arguing based on what? BOTH Trump administrations are right? Then you must really not believe them at all anymore, right?

https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1108/Imminent-Iran-nuclear-threat-A-timeline-of-warnings-since-1979/Earliest-warnings-1979-84

 

 

 

 

yes

you are a clown.

btw. i am not retired. you really do get mixed up.

why would Iran need 60% ?

 

[mspart]

I've heard the bunker buster is to bust of a nuclear site that is under 200ft of reinforced concrete.   How would such a bomb take out this site?   How does it physically do it?

mspart

[scourge165]

On 6/19/2025 at 1:29 PM, Scouts Honor said:

says the clown who doesn't realize there was never any 'agreement'.

the US heard what it wanted to hear (OBAMA)

and then iran did what it wanted 

So...AGAIN, you'll need to have this argument with the Trump administration who said in 2018 that Iran was upholding their behalf of.... what I guess you believe is an agreement that...doesn't exist? LOL...alright Scout!

[scourge165]

26 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

yes

you are a clown.

btw. i am not retired. you really do get mixed up.

why would Iran need 60% ?

 

NOPE!

Can't use the IAEA reports Scout! 

When I used them as a source to show THEY said they Iran WAS following the agreement, you dismissed it, remember?

 

It SOUNDS like you pretty much just believe them when it behooves you and you dismiss their claims when it does not.

Quote

 

says the clown who doesn't realize there was never any 'agreement'.

the US heard what it wanted to hear (OBAMA)

and then iran did what it wanted 

 

Go run back to Twitter and figure out how to reconcile how you can both use the IAEA as a source NOW but dismiss it as a Source in 2018?

 

 

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-06-08/iaea-report-confirms-irans-compliance-jcpoa?utm_source=chatgpt.com

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, mspart said:

How does it physically do it?

Some estimates say it will take 10–12 of them and still not guaranteed to take everything out.  The best way to be sure is troops on the ground to carry out the components, set charges, and implode it.  That still doesn’t deal with any weapons grade uranium that may have been hidey holed elsewhere. 

[scourge165]

9 minutes ago, mspart said:

I've heard the bunker buster is to bust of a nuclear site that is under 200ft of reinforced concrete.   How would such a bomb take out this site?   How does it physically do it?

mspart

My understanding is the MOP(massive ordinance penetrator) can cut penetrate though as much as 200 feet of Rock, Mountain or...Earth(though that would be obvious) and then it explodes in multiple directions.

 

They'd probably need multiple, but 2 B-2s would be enough to carry 4.

 

Trump is negotiating with Iran right now and has asked Israel to stop talking about an attack(from what I've seen reported). 

[Scouts Honor]

33 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

So...AGAIN, you'll need to have this argument with the Trump administration who said in 2018 that Iran was upholding their behalf of.... what I guess you believe is an agreement that...doesn't exist? LOL...alright Scout!

did they have 60% at that time. I dont think so .

[Caveira]

We all agree Iran does not need nuclear weapons right?

 

funny.  I’ll have to find the vid.  A newscaster on msnbc (this week) said he traveled to Iran and witnessed a ralley where they kept yelling death to America.  He tried to spin it that it doesn’t mean that and they are nice and like our American movies lol.   True story. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Caveira

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Go run back to Twitter and figure out how to reconcile how you can both use the IAEA as a source NOW but dismiss it as a Source in 2018?

Take your own advice.  When it says they are not building a bomb, it means exactly that and nothing more.  They may have all the components on the bench in front of them, but as long as they’re not assembling them, they’re not building one.  Even at that, it’s still just informed speculation.  Recognizing all the missed calls of the intelligence community. 
 

There is no civilian or industrial application for uranium enriched above 40%.  Iran’s cheating on the JCPOA was known to be just as prolific as in the Oil for Food Program.  Anything above 40% is building towards a bomb.  To anyone with common sense. 

[Scouts Honor]

1 hour ago, scourge165 said:

NOPE!

Can't use the IAEA reports Scout! 

When I used them as a source to show THEY said they Iran WAS following the agreement, you dismissed it, remember?

 

It SOUNDS like you pretty much just believe them when it behooves you and you dismiss their claims when it does not.

Go run back to Twitter and figure out how to reconcile how you can both use the IAEA as a source NOW but dismiss it as a Source in 2018?

 

 

https://www.armscontrol.org/blog/2018-06-08/iaea-report-confirms-irans-compliance-jcpoa?utm_source=chatgpt.com

go ahead, tell us how you can use it from 2018, but discount it now

[Paul158]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

I've heard the bunker buster is to bust of a nuclear site that is under 200ft of reinforced concrete.   How would such a bomb take out this site?   How does it physically do it?

mspart

You tube has some really good videos with the MOP (GBU-57) in action. There are a good number of videos.  How a Bunker Buster Bomb works. The video Is really good.

Edited 7 hours ago by Paul158
missed a word

[scourge165]

10 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

go ahead, tell us how you can use it from 2018, but discount it now

LOL...so to recap, YOU made the claim that Iran was NOT living up to the agreement;

Quote

 

says the clown who doesn't realize there was never any 'agreement'.

the US heard what it wanted to hear (OBAMA)

and then iran did what it wanted

 

So you just effectively said 'nuh-uh!'

LOL...I simply pointed out what the DIRECTOR of National Intelligence said and HOW LONG Israel has been making the "one week away" claims. 

 

I've also REPEATEDLY said that Iran is OBVIOUSLY now enriching uranium. Of course they are. Why would they NOT?

A Nuclear Weapon is a strong deterrent. 

What's more, I NEVER argued against bombing Iran(just the opposite). 

See.... reading is important Jimmy. I've advocated the US AIDING in regime change, I've never made it a secret which side I supported. Israel. ALWAYS been Israel. 

 

But this is where you're simply...not...capable of a coherent discussion. You contradict yourself regularly. 

 

You ALSO said;

 

Quote

the iranians aren't serious people.

 

So.... any chance you can answer my question?

 

-In 2018, it was a fake agreement, Iran did as they pleased despite the IAEA saying they were in accordance. 

-2025 'Here's PROOF they're enriching Uranium!'

 

I know there's lots of words here and that's my fault. I'll probably get 4-5 replies in which you never actually answer MY question. 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, Offthemat said:

Take your own advice.  When it says they are not building a bomb, it means exactly that and nothing more.  They may have all the components on the bench in front of them, but as long as they’re not assembling them, they’re not building one.  Even at that, it’s still just informed speculation.  Recognizing all the missed calls of the intelligence community. 
 

There is no civilian or industrial application for uranium enriched above 40%.  Iran’s cheating on the JCPOA was known to be just as prolific as in the Oil for Food Program.  Anything above 40% is building towards a bomb.  To anyone with common sense. 

Of course that's their aim, I said when we pulled out of the JCPOA, there was no reason for THEM to hold up their end of the bargain. 

-I'm pointing out that SAME organization that... you're now taking as gospel, said they were Complient in 2018 and UNTIL Trump pulled out(which was particularly stupid as he's not telling Israel to stand down while he negotiates). 

-60% doesn't get you a Nuclear Weapon and AGAIN, the SAME organization, has said;

Quote

The IAEA and U.S. intelligence have reported no conclusive evidence that Iran has restarted an active nuclear weapons program since 2009 armscontrol.org+15ft.com+15wsj.com+15.

 

So yeah, I don't believe they're a week away or we'd have bombed them by now. 

Some of you use the same source in one context, ignore it in another.

 

-They're more definitely working TOWARD building a bomb. 

[red viking]

3 hours ago, scourge165 said:

 

Red... I can't take you seriously on this issue anymore than I can Scout/Jimmy. 

 

It's "150% false," to say Iranian people support Israel over the regime?

 

When did you travel to Iran, how did you speak to these people? Because if you're talking about ALL these Middle Eastern people you speak to, and you've spoken to a lot of Iranians, I would be SHOCKED if you've spoken to 1 IN 10 that's been more supportive of the Iranian Govt unles you're going to tell me you've traveled to Iran(and I'd think you'd mention that). 

 

Also, the 'trust me, people are saying,' is about as Trump-ish as you can get. You can look at the numbers which are ALWAYS going to skew in FAVOR of the Ayatollah as people are so scared of their secret police or reprisals for speaking out against their own Govt'...

 

You can hate your leader...but right NOW you can write whatever the hell you want about him. You can go protest and they're not going to take them, beat them, maiming and VERY possibly killing them. 

We may get arrested for such a protest.

The Glib nature in which you just throw Iran in with "that region" or "the Middle East," as if there's nothing differentiating them is....well, it's Scout/Jimmy-esque. 

The major flaw w your argument is that u suggest that Iranians support either their own govt or Israel. They can easily dislike both. 

These are separate issues. 

Most of them don't believe in zionism from what I've seen, or support Israel's endless murders and genocidal actions. 

[Caveira]

13 minutes ago, red viking said:

Most of them don't believe in zionism from what I've seen, or support Israel's endless murders and genocidal actions. 

This is why the national media is requesting you get on tv and share your amazing and extensive insight into the it’s Iranian culture 

Edited 5 hours ago by Caveira

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

LOL...so to recap, YOU made the claim that Iran was NOT living up to the agreement;

So you just effectively said 'nuh-uh!'

LOL...I simply pointed out what the DIRECTOR of National Intelligence said and HOW LONG Israel has been making the "one week away" claims. 

 

I've also REPEATEDLY said that Iran is OBVIOUSLY now enriching uranium. Of course they are. Why would they NOT?

A Nuclear Weapon is a strong deterrent. 

What's more, I NEVER argued against bombing Iran(just the opposite). 

See.... reading is important Jimmy. I've advocated the US AIDING in regime change, I've never made it a secret which side I supported. Israel. ALWAYS been Israel. 

 

But this is where you're simply...not...capable of a coherent discussion. You contradict yourself regularly. 

 

You ALSO said;

 

 

So.... any chance you can answer my question?

 

-In 2018, it was a fake agreement, Iran did as they pleased despite the IAEA saying they were in accordance. 

-2025 'Here's PROOF they're enriching Uranium!'

 

I know there's lots of words here and that's my fault. I'll probably get 4-5 replies in which you never actually answer MY question. 

i only see one question mark

so i will answer that question

yes i can answer your question.

so stop being a clown.

[Scouts Honor]

2 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Of course that's their aim, I said when we pulled out of the JCPOA, there was no reason for THEM to hold up their end of the bargain. 

-I'm pointing out that SAME organization that... you're now taking as gospel, said they were Complient in 2018 and UNTIL Trump pulled out(which was particularly stupid as he's not telling Israel to stand down while he negotiates). 

-60% doesn't get you a Nuclear Weapon and AGAIN, the SAME organization, has said;

 

So yeah, I don't believe they're a week away or we'd have bombed them by now. 

Some of you use the same source in one context, ignore it in another.

 

-They're more definitely working TOWARD building a bomb. 

they hadn't been holding up their end.

and anyone with a clue knows this.

why would they go to 60% if they weren't looking for a bomb?

why waste the money?

or maybe the money obama gave them was enough.

but there is no need to go that far. 

so you can say anything you want.. but going to 60% only leads to ONE conclusion.

sorry 

i mean i know you are terrbile at making connections..

but they pretty much spelled it out for you 

[Scouts Honor]

just to be clear

i dont trust the US intel service much..

i do trust mossad... as they have been right most times and have pulled off some incredible things over the last 75 years.

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

The major flaw w your argument is that u suggest that Iranians support either their own govt or Israel. They can easily dislike both. 

These are separate issues. 

Most of them don't believe in zionism from what I've seen, or support Israel's endless murders and genocidal actions. 

Well, I disagree from my experience. They want the Ayatollah gone and I don't think they care who is helping them. Setting aside all the influencers and taking into account the distrust of doing public survey's in Iran... at the VERY least, there's a WHOLE lot who favor Israel over their own regime...

 

 

I won't even justify the "endless murders and genocidal actions." It's not worth it to me. People who think the Israeli's are somehow the ones who started this are... not going to change their mind. 

 

Whatever...in EVERY world, the BEST potential outcome is Iranians standing up and overthrowing their Govt', they'd almost certainly normalize relations if the Son of the Shah came back as Israel is the Regional power now(they had to be after the ENTIRE region tried coming at them time and time again) and Iran goes back to the modern, progressive, MODERN Nation(relative to the Middle East, just NOT blinding Women for talking back). 

 

And then there's another fact that FAR too many people just won't acknowledge. Our culture isn't just different than Iran, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Egypt... it's BETTER. We always want to tip toe around that as though, 'well, that's just their culture.' Ok. Well, Women are supposed to obey Men and you could take the Bible and concoct a real twisted theocratic Christian Nation in the West as though the Handmaid's tale was real, but we moved PAST that. So had Iran until they had their revolution in 1979. 

 

Quote

 

 

GAMAAN Study (2021): Found that 35% of Iranians view Israel positively, while 65% reject slogans like “Death to Israel.” Also, 64% resonated with the nationalist chant “Neither Gaza nor Lebanon, I sacrifice my life for Iran” iranintl.com+6iranintl.com+6gamaan.org+6.

Broader Interpretations

Viewpoint	Insight
25%normalize	Roughly a quarter support normalization with Israel.
Positive views ~35%	A rising minority admires Israel’s society and tech.
Majority reject hostility	65% oppose anti-Israel slogans; generational shift is evident.
War-time support ≠ alliance	High support for retaliation doesn’t imply love for Israel, but rather nationalism.

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Grassroots Perspectives

Social media and anecdotal reports show young Iranians chanting pro-Iran, not pro-Israel slogans, yet expressing frustration with the regime’s foreign focus:

“Neither Gaza nor Lebanon, my life for Iran.” en.wikipedia.org+10mei.edu+10gamaan.org+10wsj.com+1iranintl.com+1mei.edu+5newyorker.com+5iranintl.news+5iranintl.comiranintl.com+5iranintl.com+5atlanticcouncil.org+5

On reddit, some Iranians and diaspora voices express warm feelings toward Israel, nostalgic for pre-1979 ties and hopeful for future rapprochement .

 

 

[scourge165]

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

they hadn't been holding up their end.

and anyone with a clue knows this.

Cool

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

why would they go to 60% if they weren't looking for a bomb?

Ok, buddy, so where are you getting 60% from?

The IAEA?

4 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

go ahead, tell us how you can use it from 2018, but discount it now

And AGAIN, I didn't. I believe the one now. 

YOU'RE calling the the report from 2018 a lie?

 

Either way, this is how you become a joke. YOU are claiming the VERY SAME SOURCE that said they're at ~60% enriched Uranium is the SAME ORGANIZATION THAT SAID THEY WERE ABIDING BY THE AGREEMENT IN 2018!!!

 

You're just too dumb to see you're making my point for me SOOO easily!

 

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

or maybe the money obama gave them was enough.

but there is no need to go that far. 

You really think Obama just "gave them money," don't you?

The agreed to unfreeze Iran's own funds. 

 

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

so you can say anything you want.. but going to 60% only leads to ONE conclusion.

LOL...riiight. 

And since you believe it, that means, you only believe a source if it fits what you WANT to believe. 

 

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

i mean i know you are terrbile at making connections..

but they pretty much spelled it out for you 

You did. 

You spelled out that you're just...kinda making things up here Scout!