Will we be using the CBU-57 bomb or will Iran get to the table and negotiate. Time is running out.

[scourge165]

3 minutes ago, ionel said:

https://austria.embassy.gov.au/vien/BoardMarch25_7d.html#:~:text=Australia remains seriously concerned that,gravity of the situation clear.

....what is the point of posting this? If 2019 was after we puled out of our agreement with Iran...pretty sure 2025 is also AFTER we pulled out of the agreement. 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

....what is the point of posting this? If 2019 was after we puled out of our agreement with Iran...pretty sure 2025 is also AFTER we pulled out of the agreement. 

There was still an agreement after 2018.  But main point, they were cheating before the agreement, during the agreement and still today.  

Btw:  what are they doing in Fordow ... playing checkers? 

Edited yesterday at 12:09 AM by ionel

[scourge165]

5 minutes ago, ionel said:

There was still an agreement after 2018.  But main point, they were cheating before the agreement, during the agreement and still today.  

Btw:  what are they doing in Fordow ... playing checkers? 

You're playing the clown.

When the US pulled out, there was no longer any deal.

This ALSO started because it was argued BY YOU(with you posting a link well AFTER the US pulled out) that they broke the agreement before the US pulled out.

 

Finally, TRUMP'S State Department sad they were NOT "cheating" before the agreement.

 

I'm not sure what the hell "Fordow" line is, but again, sure it's really clever. 

[ionel]

17 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

 

I'm not sure what the hell "Fordow" line is, but again, sure it's really clever. 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/built-inside-mountain-hardened-against-100134271.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAv06HimTN6u-fxMqaM0S5I7LSnYYLUQBK_tnJ7bIoQnr7A21GnN_rAELfEeepDHSE2R41i7IzVkvmivpvz6FLAiQHFUubaDJXUZC_I_-7Mra_p_PFmbSkdZX5RhdsQPs6P9Xa0aw6u0B0zwh2gfOtzjjsQk6izCagIirHLCtIbw

[scourge165]

41 minutes ago, ionel said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/built-inside-mountain-hardened-against-100134271.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAv06HimTN6u-fxMqaM0S5I7LSnYYLUQBK_tnJ7bIoQnr7A21GnN_rAELfEeepDHSE2R41i7IzVkvmivpvz6FLAiQHFUubaDJXUZC_I_-7Mra_p_PFmbSkdZX5RhdsQPs6P9Xa0aw6u0B0zwh2gfOtzjjsQk6izCagIirHLCtIbw

 

Ok... cool. 

So...STILL, the sequence of events PER THE TRUMP administration.

As of 2018, Iran was still in compliance with the agreement. 

In March of 2025, Tulsi Gabbard said in March 2025(So the SECOND Trump administration) that they were not buliding a Nuclear Weapon(though this is moot as it's 7 years after the US pulled out of the agreement). 

 

So what do I think Iranian Nuclear Scientists are doing? Yeah...playing checkers.

 

Or you can READ what I've actually written repeatedly which is was the 1st Trump administration that said they'd been adhering to the terms of the agreement in 2018. 

The US pulled out of the agreement FIRST.

 

Once they pulled out, of COURSE the other side is not going to hold up their side of the agreement... since they're no-longer-an-agreement! LOL...how is this difficult for you to understand?

 

 

 

So bottom line, if YOU want to argue that they were really violating the agreement before the United States pulled out, you need to make the case that the Trump administration was lying in 2018.

 

Quote

 

During this period, the IAEA consistently confirmed Iran was honoring the terms:

• As of March–April 2018, IAEA inspections found Iran compliant with its obligations reuters.com+15en.wikipedia.org+15brookings.edu+15.

• Even the U.S. State Dept. and European nations acknowledged Iran’s cooperation en.wikipedia.org+4en.wikipedia.org+4armscontrol.org+4.

 

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[red viking]

11 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Ok...I don't know how you've never heard of Hitchens. He seems like...someone you'd have heard of.

2nd...what did he say that was wrong? 

3rd...STOP SPEAKING FOR ALL MUSLIMS. 

 

Finally, pointing out the most dangerous religion in the world right now is Islam...is NOT "Ethnocentric." 

 

Please go and learn about Iran. Or take your own advice, TALK to Iranian people. They'll tell you they SUPPORT Israel and hate the IRGC and the IRI. 

I mean, they won't all tell you than, but MOST will and as long as we can claim everyone else in that "part of the world," which is...pretty vague, thinks we are "Israel's bitch," then I feel like I can say this with a bit more certainty. 

I've spoken several people from middle east, including Iranians. They may not like their leader (I probably hate mine more) but they are pretty much all nice people, hate Israel w a passion, and justifiably dislike us because we back Israel every step of the way. 

Vast majority of people there don't want to force religion on others. 

To deny that that this is a huge factor is pure ignorance. 

[red viking]

11 hours ago, scourge165 said:

They'll tell you they SUPPORT Israel...

That's 150% false. I can tell tight there you've spoken to few if any. 

[Bigbrog]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

I've spoken several people from middle east, including Iranians. They may not like their leader (I probably hate mine more) but they are pretty much all nice people, hate Israel w a passion, and justifiably dislike us because we back Israel every step of the way. 

Vast majority of people there don't want to force religion on others. 

To deny that that this is a huge factor is pure ignorance. 

How many??

[Paul158]

40 minutes ago, Bigbrog said:

How many??

Several!!!! 3.

[red viking]

I'll make a correction here. While there is a good amount of Iranian hatred toward Israel, it's more of a mixed bag compared to other Middle Eastern countries. 

[El Luchador]

14 minutes ago, red viking said:

I'll make a correction here. While there is a good amount of Iranian hatred toward Israel, it's more of a mixed bag compared to other Middle Eastern countries. 

Literally all the attacks on Israel are funded by Iran. 

[red viking]

15 minutes ago, El Luchador said:

Literally all the attacks on Israel are funded by Iran. 

The Iranian government or other specific groups. 

Nevertheless, forcing a regime change is very dicey and probably not worth it for the avg u.s. citizen. 

Edited 21 hours ago by red viking

[Scouts Honor]

18 hours ago, scourge165 said:

You're playing the clown.

When the US pulled out, there was no longer any deal.

This ALSO started because it was argued BY YOU(with you posting a link well AFTER the US pulled out) that they broke the agreement before the US pulled out.

 

Finally, TRUMP'S State Department sad they were NOT "cheating" before the agreement.

 

I'm not sure what the hell "Fordow" line is, but again, sure it's really clever. 

says the clown who doesn't realize there was never any 'agreement'.

the US heard what it wanted to hear (OBAMA)

and then iran did what it wanted 

[Scouts Honor]

17 hours ago, ionel said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/built-inside-mountain-hardened-against-100134271.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAAv06HimTN6u-fxMqaM0S5I7LSnYYLUQBK_tnJ7bIoQnr7A21GnN_rAELfEeepDHSE2R41i7IzVkvmivpvz6FLAiQHFUubaDJXUZC_I_-7Mra_p_PFmbSkdZX5RhdsQPs6P9Xa0aw6u0B0zwh2gfOtzjjsQk6izCagIirHLCtIbw

he doesn't know what fordow is

but knows that IRAN followed the 'agreement'

[Scouts Honor]

6 hours ago, red viking said:

I've spoken several people from middle east, including Iranians. They may not like their leader (I probably hate mine more) but they are pretty much all nice people, hate Israel w a passion, and justifiably dislike us because we back Israel every step of the way. 

Vast majority of people there don't want to force religion on others. 

To deny that that this is a huge factor is pure ignorance. 

so they are much like you, except they are nice people? 

[Scouts Honor]

5 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

How many??

several

[Scouts Honor]

[red viking]

43 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

so they are much like you, except they are nice people? 

Yes. Nicer than me. 

Edited 17 hours ago by red viking

[ionel]

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

he doesn't know

ftfy

[scourge165]

11 hours ago, red viking said:

I've spoken several people from middle east, including Iranians. They may not like their leader (I probably hate mine more) but they are pretty much all nice people, hate Israel w a passion, and justifiably dislike us because we back Israel every step of the way. 

Vast majority of people there don't want to force religion on others. 

To deny that that this is a huge factor is pure ignorance. 

Yeah, that's just the definition of "pure ignorance." They don't want to force their Religion on others? 

LOL...wow. And you've spoken to Iranians and they're NO different than Muslims from the other Countries in the region?

BS. 

78% of Egyptians believe Sharia Law should apply to everyone, Jordan it's a parse 58%. 

 

But that you KEEP just throwing Iranians in with "people in that Region," like most American Iranians aren't here due to fleeing a brutal regime is so asinine.

 

Please look up the white revolution. You'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between a beach or resort in California vs Iran in the 1970s. But no, they all Hate American's because...strangely enough, you really see "Muslims" ALL having the exact same ideology. 

[scourge165]

5 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

he doesn't know what fordow is

but knows that IRAN followed the 'agreement'

Oh Lil Jimmy, what's cute is I'M not the one saying they were following the agreement, it was the TRUMP administrations State Department that said they were following the agreement.

You DO know they have several names for it(and even people liking your post know you don't have a clue, you're a dancing monkey). 

[scourge165]

10 hours ago, red viking said:

I'll make a correction here. While there is a good amount of Iranian hatred toward Israel, it's more of a mixed bag compared to other Middle Eastern countries. 

Better. Now just go a step further and acknowledge Iran is really NOTHING like Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Jordan, Syria...other than they're brown and mostly Muslim (after the Ayatollah took the most prominent Jew, hung him, left him in the street as a sign to the other Jews to get out in '79)...

 

As for Regime change, that's mostly for the Iranian people, but I'd sure as hell be juuust fine with the US helping them out. 

You just keep talking about "that region" like there's NO difference... AND you act like MOST of those theocratic countries are... just a different culture, but they don't want to force their Religion on you(When ALL evidence point to the contrary including polling). 

Saudia Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Palestine, between 70 and 80% CONSISTENTLY say they believe in Apostasy...

 

Now in THAT poll, they didn't even include Iranian people because...it's just too dangerous. An Iranian women who goes to a protest a MILD penalty is just taking an eye out, so they're going to toe the party line as often as possible and be VERY leery of questions that are critical of the Islamic Republic of Iran. 

 

And YET... 

 

Quote

 

Key Survey Figures

1. GAMAAN (Feb 2022) – Attitudes Toward Regime Change

• 41% of adult Iranians explicitly favor overthrowing the Islamic Republic

• Another 21% prefer structural transition away from it

• Only 18% support preserving the Islamic Revolution’s principles
  ft.com+15iranintl.com+15ifmat.org+15

2. GAMAAN (Dec 2022) – Broader Rejection

• 81% say “No” to the Islamic Republic—desiring a democratic alternative

• Around 60% say regime change is a prerequisite for meaningful progress
  washingtonpost.com+3iranintl.com+3ifmat.org+3

3. Tony Blair Institute / IFMAT (Feb 2023)

• 84% support regime change (interpreted as support for political transition)

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Interpreting These Numbers

• ≈41% want immediate overthrow.

• ≈60–80% support rejecting or replacing the regime, ranging from structural reform to complete overthrow.

• 18–21% remain supportive of the current system or its principles.

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Context & Caveats

• Surveys are mostly online-based due to restrictions in Iran, and use techniques like chain referral (which may introduce bias) iranintl.com+15gamaan.org+15reddit.com+15en.wikipedia.org+1reddit.com+1.

• Public opinion likely shifted since 2022, especially following the 2022–23 “Woman, Life, Freedom” protests.

• Definitions vary: “overthrow” implies full regime collapse; “transition” may involve structured change without total collapse.

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Summary

• Around 4 in 10 Iranians favor outright overthrow.

• When including those who support significant transition, the figure rises to roughly 6–8 in 10.

• Direct supporters of the current theocratic system make up under 20% of the population.

 

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So really no matter how you put it, Iran...is different. And if you're so worldly that you've talked to Iranian people...again, especially IN the US, I think you'd have to make an effort to find people who agree with you. And I think it'd be difficult. 

 

[El Luchador]

20 hours ago, red viking said:

The Iranian government or other specific groups. 

Nevertheless, forcing a regime change is very dicey and probably not worth it for the avg u.s. citizen. 

How can you say that? We've had such good success before. 

Kidding of course. The sad reality is we can't let Iran go nuclear, and radicals always find their way into power in the middle east. Solving that puzzle hasn't happened yet. 

[JimmySpeaks]

16 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

says the clown who doesn't realize there was never any 'agreement'.

the US heard what it wanted to hear (OBAMA)

and then iran did what it wanted 

This  

[JimmySpeaks]

16 hours ago, Scouts Honor said:

he doesn't know what fordow is

but knows that IRAN followed the 'agreement'

Scroogie talks a good game. Paragraphs of babble with zero substance.