Is it a Genocide?

[uncle bernard]

16 hours ago, El Luchador said:

So who gave up the land for Gaza and the West Bank?

Buddy, the Israeli's take more land in the West Bank every day. And all Palestinian land is under blockade. It's not actually free.

[uncle bernard]

18 hours ago, El Luchador said:

Israel has been giving land for peace my whole life. It had never resulted in peace.  Those Muslims would destroy the entire Middle East just to eliminate the Jews.  They don't want peace  that's why there never will be peace. After nearly 100 years the Palestinians haven't evolved one bit. They are simply evil. Every aspect of their existence is immoral and after 10-7 I prefer Israel reclaiming the land Hamas used to wage war from. 

Yeah, look at all this land they've been "giving up." lmao

[red viking]

The stuff that wingers believe from the winger media is unbelievable. It's basically the exact opposite of the truth. 

[Caveira]

11 minutes ago, red viking said:

The stuff that wingers believe from the winger media is unbelievable. It's basically the exact opposite of the truth. 

It’s like the winger media completely fabricated the mental faculties of the commander in chief for 4 years.   Weird. 

[uncle bernard]

https://youtube.com/shorts/-hI0CBUwknA?si=TOygSZHqhXFqalfJ

a common-sense, moderate analysis of the situation from Joe Rogan and Dave Smith (who is a Jewish conservative).

Edited May 28 by uncle bernard

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

https://youtube.com/shorts/-hI0CBUwknA?si=TOygSZHqhXFqalfJ

a common-sense, moderate analysis of the situation from Joe Rogan and Dave Smith (who is a Jewish conservative).

Weird.  Haven't heard a leftist use "common-sense" or "moderate" when talking about Rogan since he took ivermectin.

[uncle bernard]

13 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Weird.  Haven't heard a leftist use "common-sense" or "moderate" when talking about Rogan since he took ivermectin.

Damn, that's crazy. Now what do you think about the video?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

8 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Damn, that's crazy. Now what do you think about the video?

The Rogan ivermectin video that CNN doctored?

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

The Rogan ivermectin video that CNN doctored?

No, the video I posted.

I don't give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* about what other people say about Rogan. I think he's right in this video, so please address that instead of trying to change the subject. Or are you not capable of actual thoughts?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, the video I posted.

I don't give a *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me* about what other people say about Rogan. I think he's right in this video, so please address that instead of trying to change the subject. Or are you not capable of actual thoughts?

Oh, I clearly am, as I seem to have gotten your goat at the moment...

What does that say about you?

[uncle bernard]

54 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Oh, I clearly am, as I seem to have gotten your goat at the moment...

What does that say about you?

You're not as clever as you think you are. I'm going to keep asking the basic question to anybody who replies to the post. Do you disagree with the video or not? 

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

You're not as clever as you think you are. I'm going to keep asking the basic question to anybody who replies to the post. Do you disagree with the video or not? 

 

Yet you still engage me...

You didn't reply to several of my questions in the past, likely because you knew you were wrong.  Why should I be held to a different standard?

[red viking]

2 hours ago, Caveira said:

It’s like the winger media completely fabricated the mental faculties of the commander in chief for 4 years.   Weird. 

There was virtually zero fabrication. This was something that happened slowly over time and wasn't obvious until the 2024 debate. There was definitely a cover-up but the media wasn't part of a big grand conspiracy. It was by the people close to him, such as his cabinet members.  Since when have cabinet members not tried to hide shortcomings of President. People typically want to keep their jobs, so it goes much wider than presidential cabinets. 

Also, plenty of media reported on Biden's apparent cognitive shortcomings. It was extremely widespread and we all knew about it and almost all of us admitted it, including liberals. 

It's still my position (more than ever) that it's better to have a presidency run  by a relatively competent cabinet than a single evil tyrant. 

Edited May 28 by red viking

[mspart]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

 

If you look at the dates, the loss of Palestinian land coincide with attacks on Israel by the Arabs and Egyptians over the years. 

Here is the ,map bigger so you can see the dates in question. 
 

mspart

[Caveira]

38 minutes ago, red viking said:

There was virtually zero fabrication. This was something that happened slowly over time and wasn't obvious until the 2024 debate. There was definitely a cover-up but the media wasn't part of a big grand conspiracy. It was by the people close to him, such as his cabinet members.  Since when have cabinet members not tried to hide shortcomings of President. People typically want to keep their jobs, so it goes much wider than presidential cabinets. 

Also, plenty of media reported on Biden's apparent cognitive shortcomings. It was extremely widespread and we all knew about it and almost all of us admitted it, including liberals. 

It's still my position (more than ever) that it's better to have a presidency run  by a relatively competent cabinet than a single evil tyrant. 

You tell yourself that boss.   It’s cool.  

[uncle bernard]

6 minutes ago, mspart said:

If you look at the dates, the loss of Palestinian land coincide with attacks on Israel by the Arabs and Egyptians over the years. 

Here is the ,map bigger so you can see the dates in question. 
 

mspart

No, the largest loss of land coincides with the UN Partition plan of 1947, which did result in Arab attacks to attempt to regain it, but the land itself was taken beforehand.

The other major loss of land occurred in the West Bank. Most of that has happened gradually over the last 50 years due to the expansion of illegal settlements, not land seized as a result of an Arab attack.

There's a time lapse in this article showing the expansion over time: https://apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-in-the-west-bank-over-the-years-0000019079d8d0f6a3da79dcbd0a0000#

[uncle bernard]

46 minutes ago, red viking said:

There was virtually zero fabrication. This was something that happened slowly over time and wasn't obvious until the 2024 debate. There was definitely a cover-up but the media wasn't part of a big grand conspiracy. It was by the people close to him, such as his cabinet members.  Since when have cabinet members not tried to hide shortcomings of President. People typically want to keep their jobs, so it goes much wider than presidential cabinets. 

Also, plenty of media reported on Biden's apparent cognitive shortcomings. It was extremely widespread and we all knew about it and almost all of us admitted it, including liberals. 

It's still my position (more than ever) that it's better to have a presidency run  by a relatively competent cabinet than a single evil tyrant. 

I'm sorry, but that's not true. It was obvious during the 2020 primary that Biden was losing it and the entire democrat media apparatus covered for him to get him over the finish line against Sanders and then again against Trump.

He should have never been the nominee, but he was the only one who could beat Sanders, so they chose to risk everything rather than let an actual progressive lead the party and it, predictably, backfired. They did the same thing with Hilary in 2016. Every actual material data piece showed she was a horrible candidate and essentially the only one who could have possibly lost to Trump. Sanders significantly outperformed her in polling against Trump. But the corporate wing of the party controls the media apparatus, so they were able to drag her across the finish line over Bernie, but not Trump.

 

[Caveira]

52 minutes ago, red viking said:

There was virtually zero fabrication. This was something that happened slowly over time and wasn't obvious until the 2024 debate. There was definitely a cover-up but the media wasn't part of a big grand conspiracy. It was by the people close to him, such as his cabinet members.  Since when have cabinet members not tried to hide shortcomings of President. People typically want to keep their jobs, so it goes much wider than presidential cabinets. 

Also, plenty of media reported on Biden's apparent cognitive shortcomings. It was extremely widespread and we all knew about it and almost all of us admitted it, including liberals. 

It's still my position (more than ever) that it's better to have a presidency run  by a relatively competent cabinet than a single evil tyrant. 

The debate was what?  Sept 2024?  Here are a few dates before that.   What’s that hur guy saying in Feb 2024?   What about the 2020 campaign ?

Public and media discussions regarding President Joe Biden's mental health have evolved over several years:

Early Concerns (2019–2020):

• During the 2020 presidential campaign, observers noted Biden's verbal missteps and moments of forgetfulness, leading to initial questions about his cognitive sharpness. Fox News+2The Washington Post+2Wikipedia+2

• In September 2019, during a Democratic primary debate, former HUD Secretary Julián Castro questioned Biden's memory, asking, "Are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago?" Wikipedia

Presidential Term (2021–2023):

• Throughout his presidency, instances such as stumbling on Air Force One stairs in March 2021 and verbal gaffes during speeches kept discussions about his mental acuity in the public eye. Wikipedia

• In September 2022, Biden mistakenly called out for Representative Jackie Walorski during an event, unaware that she had passed away the previous month. Wikipedia

Intensified Scrutiny (2024):

• In February 2024, Special Counsel Robert Hur's report on Biden's handling of classified documents described him as "a well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory," bringing official attention to concerns about his cognitive abilities. Wikipedia+4Fox News+4theintelligencer.net+4

• Biden's performance in the June 27, 2024, presidential debate against Donald Trump was widely criticized, with observers noting his halting speech and apparent confusion. This led to increased media focus and public concern regarding his mental fitness. Wikipedia

Post-Presidency Revelations (2025):

• Following Biden's withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race in July 2024 and the conclusion of his term in January 2025, further details emerged. In May 2025, CNN's Jake Tapper and Axios's Alex Thompson published "Original Sin," alleging that Biden's inner circle concealed his cognitive decline from the public.Wikipedia+1Wikipedia+1The Times+13NPR+13New York Magazine+13

In summary, while sporadic concerns about President Biden's mental health were present during his campaign and early presidency, they became more pronounced and widely discussed following official reports and public appearances in 2024, culminating in detailed media examinations in 2025.

Edited May 28 by Caveira

[JimmySpeaks]

9 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, the largest loss of land coincides with the UN Partition plan of 1947, which did result in Arab attacks to attempt to regain it, but the land itself was taken beforehand.

The other major loss of land occurred in the West Bank. Most of that has happened gradually over the last 50 years due to the expansion of illegal settlements, not land seized as a result of an Arab attack.

There's a time lapse in this article showing the expansion over time: https://apnews.com/a-look-at-how-settlements-have-grown-in-the-west-bank-over-the-years-0000019079d8d0f6a3da79dcbd0a0000#

It. Wasn’t. Their. Land. 

Edited May 28 by JimmySpeaks

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it's a genocide... but not in the way you think 

 

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[WrestlingRasta]

Both sides bare significant responsibility for how much of a cluster f**k it is over there, pretty much on a 1:1 ratio.  Both have committed horrible completely inhumane acts against the other. And it’s been going on for 100+ years.  Neither is right in the history of Israel/Palestine.  Many a many of nation have tried to find a way to peace, many administrations of many nations. It hasn’t and isn’t going to happen. I liken it to drug counseling. You can be the best drug counselor in the world, but if the addict doesn’t want it, you’re not going to be able to help them.  They don’t want it.  Both wants to eliminate the other.  It’s been going on for so many generations it is engrained in the culture. Much like never trusting the government is engrained in our culture, because it was a root cause in the beginning of our nation as the United States. (And before some of you get your panties in a bunch, no I’m not making an argument that we should fully trust our government.) 

My only strong opinion of the Israel/Palestine conflict is that we should stay the f**k out.  Our involvement has served us nothing but harm.  Do business with the region and Arab nations, yes….its just smart business particularly in today’s global climate. But being involved in any fashion with their conflicts, no.  Stay the f**k out. Let them do them. They are not a global threat if we just let them handle their issues their way. Is it atrocious, yes.  Would I like to see us promote peace, yes.  But….well…the drug addict.  I’m glad our president is more focused on Russia than trying to create a beautiful new Palestine. Russia can absolutely be a global problem. 
 

Bob Marley said: “if you want to win a revolution you must win with Rasta, you cannot win another way.  If you try to win another way you will only be fighting again. But with Rasta there will be no more war”. The ideology of that region of the world could not be further from that mentality. 

[JimmySpeaks]

America has and always will be involved in ensuring the existence of Israel. IT HAS TO.  It would be a tragedy militarily and economically if Israel were to lose a war.  Not to mention the impact on our national security with the intelligence they supply us with.  Anyone saying to stay out needs to look at the bigger picture of what happens if Israel is defeated or destroyed.