Anyone hear something crazy recently?

[PortaJohn]

Just now, BruceyB said:

No! Stop it. We're not doing this.

I don't want to.  I'm saying it's arguable

[boconnell]

18 minutes ago, BAC said:

Thoughts:

--It's just so stupid that this is even illegal.  It happens legally thousands of times a day in the porn world and the OnlyFans world (and in parts of Nevada and Maine), and thousands more a day in the "arrangements"/"sugar daddy" world, and it's barely a rounding error a way from what happens millions of times a day, e.g. men buying dinner and sort of getting something in return, and women seducing wealthier men for access to his wallet. Much of human history is built on men who provide best being the ones who get ass.  Where, as here, there's no indicia the person lacked the capacity to consent, it is a simple business transaction, morally indistinguishable from paying someone to mow your lawn.   So I'm sorry, but I just can't bring it upon myself to be even remotely troubled by this as I don't see it being in any way wrong.  It's a crime, but right up there in seriousness with jaywalking and loitering.  The people acting all butthurt about this are ridiculous.

--I'd always happy to make an exception for the religious preachy types when they're abject hypocrites, but does it here?  Not that I can see.  I don't doubt that he's a devout Christian, and trying to live a Christian life, doesn't mean he's criticizing the lifestyles of others who aren't devout Christians and saying we're all going to hell, nor is he out there trying to jack up the penalties for prostitution or preaching against it.  I'm only bothered when the religious right tries to shove morals down my throat that they themselves won't adhere to. Maybe he violated his own professed beliefs, but that's between him and himself.  I just have no reason to care.

--He's probably in hot water with his wife, but truthfully, we don't even know that.  For all we know, she signed off on it or agreed to look the other way, as maybe there's things she can't or won't do. Or maybe not -- maybe she's furious and ready to rip his nuts off, but once again, that's solely between them.  I'm not willing to make any judgments about his marriage any more than I will about his morality. 

--I'm sure his PR people will help him write up some big public apology, talking about how he let down his wife and kids and his God, how he'll try to do better and live his life according to God's plan, blah blah blah, but none of that changes the above.  That's understandable, as the sponsors will expect it.  But it won't change what I said above.

Bottom line:  For his own mental health and personal happiness, I hope he's able to conform his conduct to his beliefs and his commitments to his wife, but it makes zero difference to me if that entails changing his conduct or changing his beliefs/commitments.

 

If prostitution wasn't joined at the hip with human trafficking and women being used against their will, then you'd have some really great points here about the moral differences in paying for it directly or not paying for it directly.  

Edited Monday at 06:25 PM by boconnell

[BruceyB]

1 minute ago, PortaJohn said:

Not trying to be snarky but does that mean Abraham wasn't a devout follower?

I'm not going to get into a religious debate, so I'm just going to say this.

Old Testament be wilin'.

[PortaJohn]

4 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I'm not going to get into a religious debate, so I'm just going to say this.

Old Testament be wilin'.

Fair enough but Abraham is still a prominent character in the New Testament.  He's like the gold standard in the New Testament

[Dark Energy]

This sucks.  He screwed up.  Big time.  I’m sure he is in a degree of emotional agony.  And there should be punishment (I’m not someone that will be calling the use of prostitutes victimless).  
 

That said, I sure hope all the asshats around here and off these boards just give the guy some space to deal with this with his family and learn and grow from it.  Seems like a guy who is going to really suffer mentally from the pain he has caused and the embarrassment to friend, family and himself.  It is a very severe punishment already.  I worry for him - mental state and all.  
 

Back off folks.

[Le duke]

11 minutes ago, boconnell said:

If prostitution wasn't joined at the hip with human trafficking and women being used against their will, then you'd have some really great points here about the moral differences in paying for it directly or not paying for it directly.  

That's the bigger problem here.

If people are truly willing participants, sure, consenting adults and all that.

But...I'm guessing few if any people are doing a lot of research into the organization providing the services they seek out. Not a whole lot of "independent contractors" in that realm.

Hope he's able to patch things up with his family. Regardless of what happens with wrestling, his kids need him.

 

Edited Monday at 06:37 PM by Le duke

[bnwtwg]

1 minute ago, Dark Energy said:

This sucks.  He screwed up.  Big time.  I’m sure he is in a degree of emotional agony.  And there should be punishment (I’m not someone that will be calling the use of prostitutes victimless).  
 

That said, I sure hope all the asshats around here and off these boards just give the guy some space to deal with this with his family and learn and grow from it.  Seems like a guy who is going to really suffer mentally from the pain he has caused and the embarrassment to friend, family and himself.  It is a very severe punishment already.  I worry for him - mental state and all.  
 

Back off folks.

Nah. He brought this on himself with all the 100% jesus crap so now he gets to deal with the fallout when he's on the other end. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[BarSeries]

3 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

This sucks.  He screwed up.  Big time.  I’m sure he is in a degree of emotional agony.  And there should be punishment (I’m not someone that will be calling the use of prostitutes victimless).  
 

That said, I sure hope all the asshats around here and off these boards just give the guy some space to deal with this with his family and learn and grow from it.  Seems like a guy who is going to really suffer mentally from the pain he has caused and the embarrassment to friend, family and himself.  It is a very severe punishment already.  I worry for him - mental state and all.  
 

Back off folks.

Never mind all of that............we got Final X to worry about!!!!!!!!!

[happyvalet]

25 minutes ago, BarSeries said:

Jesus cares

ok lmao

[happyvalet]

15 minutes ago, boconnell said:

If prostitution wasn't joined at the hip with human trafficking and women being used against their will, then you'd have some really great points here about the moral differences in paying for it directly or not paying for it directly.  

it's no more joined at the hip than farming is 

[Le duke]

4 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

it's no more joined at the hip than farming is 

Explain.

[Eagle26]

5 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

it's no more joined at the hip than farming is 

What???

[happyvalet]

Just now, Le duke said:

Explain.

there are people who have been trafficked that work on farms, in factories, etc.

The vast, vast majority of sex workers do what they do of their own volition. 

[Le duke]

7 minutes ago, happyvalet said:

there are people who have been trafficked that work on farms, in factories, etc.

The vast, vast majority of sex workers do what they do of their own volition. 

Sure. 

I'd argue that being forced to have sex against your will is worse than working as a farm laborer/factory worker against your will. Neither are good, one is worse.

To be clear: I'm not arguing or suggesting that was the case here.

 

Edited Monday at 06:54 PM by Le duke

[TNwrestling]

It isnt about whether or not you agree with prostitution being legal or illegal. It's illegal and he knew that going into it. He willingly broke the law. He knew the potential ramifications to this (family, team, sponsors, fans etc) and did it anyways. 

Edited Monday at 06:54 PM by TNwrestling

[happyvalet]

3 minutes ago, Le duke said:

Sure. 

I'd argue that being forced to have sex against your will is worse than working as a farm laborer/factory worker against your will. Neither are good, one is worse.

then my point stands. 

[feet2back]

At least He wasn't trying to meet some dude! Feel bad for wife and Family

[JimmyCinnabon]

1 hour ago, Caveira said:

Bo is nlwc.  I know you saw his d sucking comment.  

I didn't because I think Bo Nickal is an absolute turd of a person and even though I am a PSU alumni I don't consume anything Bo Nickal. I wish he'd go play in traffic. 

[okokzach]

Just now, feet2back said:

At least He wasn't trying to meet some dude! Feel bad for wife and Family

there's enough to deal with on this topic, please don't bring your homophobia into it

[JimmyCinnabon]

7 minutes ago, okokzach said:

there's enough to deal with on this topic, please don't bring your homophobia into it

Thank you. 

[Caveira]

34 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

This sucks.  He screwed up.  Big time.  I’m sure he is in a degree of emotional agony.  And there should be punishment (I’m not someone that will be calling the use of prostitutes victimless).  
 

That said, I sure hope all the asshats around here and off these boards just give the guy some space to deal with this with his family and learn and grow from it.  Seems like a guy who is going to really suffer mentally from the pain he has caused and the embarrassment to friend, family and himself.  It is a very severe punishment already.  I worry for him - mental state and all.  
 

Back off folks.

I don’t see any evidence of anyone on this board bothering Kyle Snyder.  

[1032004]

34 minutes ago, Dark Energy said:

This sucks.  He screwed up.  Big time.  I’m sure he is in a degree of emotional agony.  And there should be punishment (I’m not someone that will be calling the use of prostitutes victimless).  
 

That said, I sure hope all the asshats around here and off these boards just give the guy some space to deal with this with his family and learn and grow from it.  Seems like a guy who is going to really suffer mentally from the pain he has caused and the embarrassment to friend, family and himself.  It is a very severe punishment already.  I worry for him - mental state and all.  
 

Back off folks.

I mean, do you think he reads the message boards, or even x for that matter?  He has a lot bigger problems than what a bunch of strangers on the internet are saying.

[Bardamu911]

45 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

He let down…his fans.

not true, I’m a fan of his and I don’t think any less of him. He ***ducked** up and now he’s experiencing the consequences. And the sun also rises. 

[CHROMEBIRD]

56 minutes ago, BAC said:

Thoughts:

--It's just so stupid that this is even illegal.  It happens legally thousands of times a day in the porn world and the OnlyFans world (and in parts of Nevada and Maine), and thousands more a day in the "arrangements"/"sugar daddy" world, and it's barely a rounding error a way from what happens millions of times a day, e.g. men buying dinner and sort of getting something in return, and women seducing wealthier men for access to his wallet. Much of human history is built on men who provide best being the ones who get ass.  Where, as here, there's no indicia the person lacked the capacity to consent, it is a simple business transaction, morally indistinguishable from paying someone to mow your lawn.   So I'm sorry, but I just can't bring it upon myself to be even remotely troubled by this as I don't see it being in any way wrong.  It's a crime, but right up there in seriousness with jaywalking and loitering.  The people acting all butthurt about this are ridiculous.

--I'd always happy to make an exception for the religious preachy types when they're abject hypocrites, but does it here?  Not that I can see.  I don't doubt that he's a devout Christian, and trying to live a Christian life, doesn't mean he's criticizing the lifestyles of others who aren't devout Christians and saying we're all going to hell, nor is he out there trying to jack up the penalties for prostitution or preaching against it.  I'm only bothered when the religious right tries to shove morals down my throat that they themselves won't adhere to. Maybe he violated his own professed beliefs, but that's between him and himself.  I just have no reason to care.

--He's probably in hot water with his wife, but truthfully, we don't even know that.  For all we know, she signed off on it or agreed to look the other way, as maybe there's things she can't or won't do. Or maybe not -- maybe she's furious and ready to rip his nuts off, but once again, that's solely between them.  I'm not willing to make any judgments about his marriage any more than I will about his morality. 

--I'm sure his PR people will help him write up some big public apology, talking about how he let down his wife and kids and his God, how he'll try to do better and live his life according to God's plan, blah blah blah, but none of that changes the above.  That's understandable, as the sponsors will expect it.  But it won't change what I said above.

Bottom line:  For his own mental health and personal happiness, I hope he's able to conform his conduct to his beliefs and his commitments to his wife, but it makes zero difference to me if that entails changing his conduct or changing his beliefs/commitments.

 

I agree with this take, lots of assumptions being made here. We'll probably know more in a week after Snyder's hearing. I don't have anything to add, really, just wanted to give a shout out to @bnwtwg bc his comments in this thread ahve been absolute fire 

[bnwtwg]

3 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

I mean, do you think he reads the message boards, or even x for that matter?  He has a lot bigger problems than what a bunch of strangers on the internet are saying.

Can you imagine the ads that Snyder would get if he was on this message board?!?!