Trump is such a fascist...

[Scouts Honor]

 

[red viking]

These people need to be watched more carefully; I would agree. He's not proposing to arrest them though w/o due process, like the Trump regime does. 

[mspart]

Why would the gov need to target anyone for non criminal behavior?  This confirms Biden was the most anti free speech president in the history of the country.    But RV thinks that is exactly what we need. 

mspart

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, mspart said:

Why would the gov need to target anyone for non criminal behavior?  This confirms Biden was the most anti free speech president in the history of the country.    But RV thinks that is exactly what we need. 

mspart

You mean like deporting legal residents because they legally protested against Israel?

[ionel]

18 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

You mean like deporting legal residents because they legally protested against Israel?

Reference?

[uncle bernard]

41 minutes ago, ionel said:

Reference?

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/08/nx-s1-5349472/students-protest-trump-free-speech-arrests-deportation-gaza

"We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist that tears up our university campus. We've given you a visa and you decide to do that — we're going to take it away," Rubio said in a recent news conference.

None of these students has been charged with a crime. Instead, the government is using a rarely invoked immigration act that allows the secretary of state to revoke immigration status if the secretary deems their presence a threat to U.S. foreign policy.

[Scouts Honor]

1 hour ago, red viking said:

These people need to be watched more carefully; I would agree. He's not proposing to arrest them though w/o due process, like the Trump regime does. 

anything like an enemies list? 

[Scouts Honor]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

You mean like deporting legal residents because they legally protested against Israel?

no. they didn't LEGALLY protest

 

[Scouts Honor]

46 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/08/nx-s1-5349472/students-protest-trump-free-speech-arrests-deportation-gaza

"We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist that tears up our university campus. We've given you a visa and you decide to do that — we're going to take it away," Rubio said in a recent news conference.

 

i think you answered your own question

[Scouts Honor]

not reading the room

[ionel]

1 hour ago, uncle bernard said:

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/08/nx-s1-5349472/students-protest-trump-free-speech-arrests-deportation-gaza

"We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist that tears up our university campus. We've given you a visa and you decide to do that — we're going to take it away," Rubio said in a recent news conference.

None of these students has been charged with a crime. Instead, the government is using a rarely invoked immigration act that allows the secretary of state to revoke immigration status if the secretary deems their presence a threat to U.S. foreign policy.

You don't have to be charged with a crime to have your student visa withdrawn.  Does being a student make one a "legal resident" whatever that is?  Try again.

[uncle bernard]

23 minutes ago, ionel said:

You don't have to be charged with a crime to have your student visa withdrawn.  Does being a student make one a "legal resident" whatever that is?  Try again.

No, but having a student visa does. That is the literal definition of a visa.

They were approved to live and attend school here. They did not break the law. Their visas were revoked because they have different politics than the administration.

The only difference between this and what @Scouts Honor posted is that something actually happened to these people. They were, in @mspart words, targeted for non-criminal behavior, which he says is bad! I look forward to him condemning Trump as the most anti-free speech president in the history of the country.

[Scouts Honor]

1 minute ago, uncle bernard said:

No, but having a student visa does. That is the literal definition of a visa.

They were approved to live and attend school here. They did not break the law. Their visas were revoked because they have different politics than the administration.

The only difference between this and what @Scouts Honor posted is that something actually happened to these people. They were, in @mspart words, targeted for non-criminal behavior, which he says is bad! I look forward to him condemning Trump as the most anti-free speech president in the history of the country.

yes they were approved. now they are not.

non criminal behavior... is that like kidnapping someone who works in the building? 

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Scouts Honor said:

no. they didn't LEGALLY protest

 

The vast majority of them did and none of the ones being deported are charged, or even accused, of crimes. 

Of course, this is the point of the exercise. The Trump admin wants to get rid of due process for political enemies. They are starting with immigrants. We're next.

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, Scouts Honor said:

yes they were approved. now they are not.

non criminal behavior... is that like kidnapping someone who works in the building? 

What are you even babbling about now? My dog has more object permanence than you. 

[ionel]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

No, but having a student visa does. That is the literal definition of a visa.

They were approved to live and attend school here. They did not break the law. Their visas were revoked because they have different politics than the administration.

The only difference between this and what @Scouts Honor posted is that something actually happened to these people. They were, in @mspart words, targeted for non-criminal behavior, which he says is bad! I look forward to him condemning Trump as the most anti-free speech president in the history of the country.

What's an "illegal resident?"  Prove it was politics?  There are many reasons a student visa can be withdrawn.  

[uncle bernard]

2 minutes ago, ionel said:

What's an "illegal resident?"  Prove it was politics?  There are many reasons a student visa can be withdrawn.  

Marco Rubio explicitly told you why he revoked them. 

"We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist that tears up our university campus. We've given you a visa and you decide to do that — we're going to take it away,"

An illegal resident is a non-citizen living here without permission of the government. I think a fourth grader could probably have figured that out on their own, but happy to help.

[ionel]

14 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

Marco Rubio explicitly told you why he revoked them. 

"We gave you a visa to come and study and get a degree, not to become a social activist that tears up our university campus. We've given you a visa and you decide to do that — we're going to take it away,"

An illegal resident is a non-citizen living here without permission of the government. I think a fourth grader could probably have figured that out on their own, but happy to help.

So you acknowledge that it wasn't political and also that there are folks residing in our country that shouldn't be here. 

[uncle bernard]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

So you acknowledge that it wasn't political and also that there are folks residing in our country that shouldn't be here. 

1) The reason Rubio gave is definitionally political - 'social activist.' If they committed a crime, they should be charged and tried. They have not - because many of the students being deported weren't involved in any of the trespassing or destruction of property.

2) Of course. Tons of people are living here illegally. When have I said otherwise?

[ionel]

Just now, uncle bernard said:

1) The reason Rubio gave is definitionally political - 'social activist.' If they committed a crime, they should be charged and tried. They have not - because many of the students being deported weren't involved in any of the trespassing or destruction of property.

2) Of course. Tons of people are living here illegally. When have I said otherwise?

1) your quote said "tears up our university campus."  Sounds like damaging property or educational opportunity not politics.  

[Caveira]

47 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

What are you even babbling about now? My dog has more object permanence than you. 

10 / 9 / 8 / 5 / 2 all seem interesting.   Comment on all but 10 specifically  

 

Here are the top 10 reasons a U.S. student visa (F-1, J-1, or M-1) might be revoked or terminated:

1. Failure to Maintain Full-Time Enrollment
   Students must remain enrolled full-time unless granted special permission.

2. Unauthorized Employment
   Working off-campus without authorization (e.g., without CPT/OPT for F-1 students) violates visa terms.

3. Academic Dismissal or Suspension
   Poor grades, cheating, or violations of school policies can lead to dismissal — and loss of visa status.

4. Overstaying the Visa
   Staying in the U.S. beyond the grace period after a program ends can result in visa revocation.

5. Criminal Activity
   Any criminal charges, including DUI, drug possession, theft, or violent offenses, can lead to revocation.

6. Failure to Report Changes
   Not reporting changes in address, school, or program to your Designated School Official (DSO) can result in status loss.

7. Providing False Information
   Lying on your visa application or providing fake documents can cause immediate revocation.

8. Disengagement from Classes
   If you stop attending classes (even if technically enrolled), you can fall out of status.

9. Violation of School Rules or Honor Codes
   Academic dishonesty or behavioral issues can get you expelled and affect your visa.

10. National Security or Immigration Enforcement Reasons
    If a student is suspected of having ties to prohibited organizations or activities, the U.S. government can revoke their visa immediately.

Edited Wednesday at 09:01 PM by Caveira

[ionel]

https://nypost.com/2025/05/07/us-news/masked-anti-israel-protesters-storm-columbia-library-shove-past-security-as-ivy-leaguers-prep-for-finals/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=nypost

[Scouts Honor]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

The vast majority of them did and none of the ones being deported are charged, or even accused, of crimes. 

Of course, this is the point of the exercise. The Trump admin wants to get rid of due process for political enemies. They are starting with immigrants. We're next.

i was told trump wanted everyone afraid... 

it sounds like you are the fearmongerer

[Scouts Honor]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

What are you even babbling about now? My dog has more object permanence than you. 

yeah i knew you would memory hole it

[Scouts Honor]

3 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

What are you even babbling about now? My dog has more object permanence than you. 

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