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[scourge165]

20 minutes ago, MPhillips said:

Not talking sh ite. Brooks is 5'7"?  

Yeah...that's kinda wild, isn't it? I've seen him listed at 5'7-5'8. 

I'd be inclined to go with that 5'7. Not that I've held a tape measure up to him, but I have been in the vicinity of Brooks...and Cael for that matter(again...not knowing either) and Brooks was short. A few inches(At least) shorter than Starocci who I'd put at...~5'10, 5'9. 

I would think the ideal size, height would be ~6'2 or so at 184-197. Though length is more important, but I feel like I'm being proven wrong here. Taylor was a bit taller as far as I can tell. Burroughs is the ideal build though. Thick, big hips, core and long arms. So I don't think the height matters so much as the length. 

Hard to tell what Dake is(I'd GUESS 5'9, but I would just be guessing). 

I think Snyder has a bad build relatively speaking. I think it makes Wrestling Edit-Tazhudinov and Sadulaev particularly tough. Of course...I have zero Olympic or World Medals, so...what do I know...

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[scourge165]

2 hours ago, PortaJohn said:

The two best to ever do it (Medved & Satiev) were tall and had length

Saitiev didn't even appear tall, he just had...INSANE balance, hips and a feel for Wrestling that may be unprecedented. He Wrestled...85KG I believe it was and he weighted about 80KG at one WC. 

As for the best ever, I'd throw Sadulaev into that group and I will die on that hill, but I still think what makes this sport great is you can reach the top no matter your build.

While I believe Lillendahl is a massive underdog and...doesn't really have a chance vs Lee, he's on a trajectory to be an Olympian or World Team member...yet they have very different builds. 
 

[MPhillips]

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Yeah...that's kinda wild, isn't it? I've seen him listed at 5'7-5'8. 

It is...

3 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

I think Snyder has a bad build relatively speaking.

It's not ideal. I feel the same about Feldman relatively speaking...

[MPhillips]

5 minutes ago, scourge165 said:

Saitiev didn't even appear tall

...but he had length.  He only wrestled 85 that one time. Mostly a 74...

[lisa morales]

Simon Biles is technically a dwarf.

[PortaJohn]

9 hours ago, scourge165 said:

Saitiev didn't even appear tall, he just had...INSANE balance, hips and a feel for Wrestling that may be unprecedented. He Wrestled...85KG I believe it was and he weighted about 80KG at one WC. 

Satiev was around 6 feet and spent his career at 74.  Wrestled once at Euro's up at 86

[PortaJohn]

@scourge165 ... Vid has gotten blurrier over time but one of my favorite vids of Sat

 

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I feel like I just got Rick Rolled.  Well done, WKN.

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I feel like I just got Rick Rolled.  Well done, WKN.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rickrolling

 

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[scourge165]

On 5/7/2025 at 7:19 AM, PortaJohn said:

@scourge165 ... Vid has gotten blurrier over time but one of my favorite vids of Sat

 

He somehow looks like a guy in an old-timers tournament who is smoking a dart about 30 minutes before he's about to Wrestle and then Wrestling like he's taking it about 60% serious and trying to not gas out.

 

I'm still unsure how Slay beat him. He also looks like he SHOULD be physically controlled by a guy like Joe Williams. I mean, I get strength of just one aspect of Wrestling, but...it IS a pretty important one. He is so so damn slick, calm, under control at all times. 

 

On 5/7/2025 at 7:15 AM, PortaJohn said:

Satiev was around 6 feet and spent his career at 74.  Wrestled once at Euro's up at 86

Thanks. Euro's and 86, not 85. But he was still about 80KGs at the weigh-ins. I believe the majority of his losses came vs other Russians. 

 

Peak Burroughs vs peak Saitiev would have been a fun matchup. It seems to me JB's style of Wrestling would have been MORE conducive to beating him than others. That blast double rather than getting in on a single and having to finish given his ability to scramble out of it. 

*I'm NOT comparing their Wrestling credentials or who was the better Wrestler. Just the best version of JB vs Saitiev. 

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On 5/10/2025 at 12:35 PM, scourge165 said:

He somehow looks like a guy in an old-timers tournament who is smoking a dart about 30 minutes before he's about to Wrestle and then Wrestling like he's taking it about 60% serious and trying to not gas out.

 

I'm still unsure how Slay beat him. He also looks like he SHOULD be physically controlled by a guy like Joe Williams. I mean, I get strength of just one aspect of Wrestling, but...it IS a pretty important one. He is so so damn slick, calm, under control at all times. 

 

Thanks. Euro's and 86, not 85. But he was still about 80KGs at the weigh-ins. I believe the majority of his losses came vs other Russians. 

 

Peak Burroughs vs peak Saitiev would have been a fun matchup. It seems to me JB's style of Wrestling would have been MORE conducive to beating him than others. That blast double rather than getting in on a single and having to finish given his ability to scramble out of it. 

*I'm NOT comparing their Wrestling credentials or who was the better Wrestler. Just the best version of JB vs Saitiev. 

Rules matter.  Burroughs' double is borderline unstoppable because it typically results in 2, 4, or a pushout for 1 and is low enough to avoid getting jacked up in underhooks or with a single in the air, which would greatly favor Satiev's skill set.  No pushouts and 1 pt takedowns would favor BS, pushout and 2 pt. takedown favors JB.

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On 5/7/2025 at 8:19 AM, PortaJohn said:

@scourge165 ... Vid has gotten blurrier over time but one of my favorite vids of Sat

 

Super match!!!!!  Great stuff!!

 

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On 5/5/2025 at 2:16 PM, Boring said:

Chance won the US Open and went to the Olympics. True, he didn't win any medals. 

As a spectator?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

On 5/6/2025 at 11:05 PM, scourge165 said:

Saitiev didn't even appear tall, he just had...INSANE balance, hips and a feel for Wrestling that may be unprecedented. He Wrestled...85KG I believe it was and he weighted about 80KG at one WC. 

As for the best ever, I'd throw Sadulaev into that group and I will die on that hill, but I still think what makes this sport great is you can reach the top no matter your build.

While I believe Lillendahl is a massive underdog and...doesn't really have a chance vs Lee, he's on a trajectory to be an Olympian or World Team member...yet they have very different builds. 
 

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On 5/6/2025 at 11:01 PM, scourge165 said:

Yeah...that's kinda wild, isn't it? I've seen him listed at 5'7-5'8. 

I'd be inclined to go with that 5'7. Not that I've held a tape measure up to him, but I have been in the vicinity of Brooks...and Cael for that matter(again...not knowing either) and Brooks was short. A few inches(At least) shorter than Starocci who I'd put at...~5'10, 5'9. 

I would think the ideal size, height would be ~6'2 or so at 184-197. Though length is more important, but I feel like I'm being proven wrong here. Taylor was a bit taller as far as I can tell. Burroughs is the ideal build though. Thick, big hips, core and long arms. So I don't think the height matters so much as the length. 

Hard to tell what Dake is(I'd GUESS 5'9, but I would just be guessing). 

I think Snyder has a bad build relatively speaking. I think it makes Wrestling Edit-Tazhudinov and Sadulaev particularly tough. Of course...I have zero Olympic or World Medals, so...what do I know...

I think there is no "perfect build" for wrestling. The sport is about how you use your build and gifts against the other guy's. It isn't like we are racing a clock or a distance; we are using our physical dimensions (and speed, strength , flexibility, brains, etc) to create problems for our opponents and advantages for ourselves.  Unlike racing, we have multiple avenues to victory.  Different techniques and strategies work better based on our advantages and our opponents builds/skills/etc.