Tough Day For Uncle Bernard

[JimmySpeaks]

5 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

no. it didn't.

the wokeness is now the norm. via media and the education system, everyone is a victim and an activist. 

I actually agree with RV. If the right doesnt follow up this Trump admin with another presidency, we're effed. 

Wokeness started with the creation of the dept of education in 1979 and has been the norm since Obama.  All you can do is slow it down as it’s going to happen whether you like it or not.  As I’ve said on here before if Dems would learn what “happening “organically” means instead of shoving it down peoples throats they’d have far more success.  Also, Globalism (NWO) coming whether we want it to or not. Even the Nationalist Trump knows it which is why he’s trying to position the US as best he can for the future when it does.  That being said you can’t stop it, just impact it/direct it as best you can while you can.  

[WrestlingRasta]

9 minutes ago, Husker_Du said:

the wokeness is now the norm. via media and the education system, everyone is a victim and an activist. 

 

I just don’t see it as blatant in the education system as we get sold on.  There are definitely bad actors in schools and in some policy makers, but overall I just don’t see it that heavy.  I deal with a lot of schools in both my ‘regular’ job and in my wrestling ventures. And I feel like we get fed about the bad actors so densely and so loudly, that what we hear in certain media and certain govt entities does not reflect the reality. In my experiences, I just don’t see anywhere near the level of what we’re fed.  What I see a lot more of is entitlement from parents.   “My kid shouldn’t have to do this or that if it makes them uncomfortable.”  What I see more in schools and policy, more so than higher levels pushing an agenda, is not having the balls to stand up to parents and saying…we’re the professionals, this is how it’s done, if you don’t like it you have other options. 
 

I say all of that with the understanding that my experiences are not everyone’s experiences. 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 hour ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I just don’t see it as blatant in the education system as we get sold on.  There are definitely bad actors in schools and in some policy makers, but overall I just don’t see it that heavy.  I deal with a lot of schools in both my ‘regular’ job and in my wrestling ventures. And I feel like we get fed about the bad actors so densely and so loudly, that what we hear in certain media and certain govt entities does not reflect the reality. In my experiences, I just don’t see anywhere near the level of what we’re fed.  What I see a lot more of is entitlement from parents.   “My kid shouldn’t have to do this or that if it makes them uncomfortable.”  What I see more in schools and policy, more so than higher levels pushing an agenda, is not having the balls to stand up to parents and saying…we’re the professionals, this is how it’s done, if you don’t like it you have other options. 
 

I say all of that with the understanding that my experiences are not everyone’s experiences. 

You don’t think there’s a correlation between wokeness and entitlement?

[WrestlingRasta]

53 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

You don’t think there’s a correlation between wokeness and entitlement?

That's not at all what I said, I absolutely believe there is a correlation.   To simplify, what I am saying is that I see it coming much more from the home than from the school.  Again, not that there aren't any bad actors in the schools, but that I have not seen it nearly as agenda driven from the schools as some media and some government entities try to feed us. With school's becoming much more 'competitive' than they used to be in decades past, schools are "allowing" this entitlement from the home much more than they used to because they have to fill their seats to stay in operation.  

Do I believe the home should have a voice in the school education, absolutely.  Do I believe the home should dictate the school education, absolutely not.  And what I am seeing is the home dictating the school education becoming more and more prevalent. (I use the term 'school education' because there is a lot more to life education and development than what happens in the classroom.  And I certainly don't believe school education is the end all be all of whether or not someone can lead a successful, productive life).

 

Edited Tuesday at 03:07 PM by WrestlingRasta

[JimmySpeaks]

3 hours ago, WrestlingRasta said:

That's not at all what I said, I absolutely believe there is a correlation.   To simplify, what I am saying is that I see it coming much more from the home than from the school.  Again, not that there aren't any bad actors in the schools, but that I have not seen it nearly as agenda driven from the schools as some media and some government entities try to feed us. With school's becoming much more 'competitive' than they used to be in decades past, schools are "allowing" this entitlement from the home much more than they used to because they have to fill their seats to stay in operation.  

Do I believe the home should have a voice in the school education, absolutely.  Do I believe the home should dictate the school education, absolutely not.  And what I am seeing is the home dictating the school education becoming more and more prevalent. (I use the term 'school education' because there is a lot more to life education and development than what happens in the classroom.  And I certainly don't believe school education is the end all be all of whether or not someone can lead a successful, productive life).

 

I understand what you’re saying but the people at home learned it from somewhere.  Most likely school.  Maybe more so at the college level but it certainly happens at all levels. 

[Lipdrag]

On 4/27/2025 at 9:37 PM, Caveira said:

I thought @red viking guaranteed it would keep tanking indefinitely?   Weird. 

Strawmen were tanking.  That was firmly hypothesized, established, and proven by the Strawmen Declaration Club of this forum.

EDIT:  HA!! I wrote the above before I read the very next comment.  Which was RV declaring . . . 

                              "Indefinitely?" Strawan

Definitely Strawmen tanking indefinitely.

Edited Tuesday at 07:09 PM by Lipdrag

[uncle bernard]

On 4/28/2025 at 6:43 PM, Husker_Du said:

no way you can be this dumb

Yeah, the US government and UN were just handing money over to Hamas. The same entities that endlessly defend Israel's right to do whatever they want. We won't even let the UN sanction them for obvious violations of international law with the settlements. But yeah, we love giving Hamas money!

If the US ever gave Hamas money, it would be to prop them up so that Israel continues to have an excuse to annex land and kill civilians. That's actually why Israel funded and empowered Hamas in the first place back in the 80s.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

That's actually why Israel funded and empowered Hamas in the first place back in the 80s.

No it's not...

[uncle bernard]

38 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

No it's not...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

"Another alternative to the PLO encouraged by Israeli officials was Islamist politician Ahmed Yassin, a Muslim Brotherhood member who ran a network of mosques, clubs, and schools in Gaza. During the 1970s and 1980s, Israel granted licences and support to Yassin so that he could build and expand his network.[2][18] American research Jonathan Schanzer wrote that "by the late 1970s, the Israelis believed that they had found Fatah’s Achilles’ heel ... Fatah had become anxious over the growing influence of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza," saying that the Israelis subsequently "made the ill-fated decision to permit the Brotherhood to operate with relatively little oversight" so that it would undermine the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).[19] In the late 1980s, Yassin's network would evolve into the armed Islamist and nationalist group Hamas."[20]

@Husker_Du

[uncle bernard]

On 4/29/2025 at 7:51 AM, Husker_Du said:

no. it didn't.

the wokeness is now the norm. via media and the education system, everyone is a victim and an activist. 

I actually agree with RV. If the right doesnt follow up this Trump admin with another presidency, we're effed. 

It sounds like you think conservatives need safe spaces, no?

Education requires learning about the world, and that includes viewpoints different than yours. What conservatives want now is what the overzealous "Social Justice Warriors" of the past wanted - to sanitize the world so they don't have to feel icky when they see something they don't agree with. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

You can't complain about entitlement and weakness in the youth while kicking and screaming about how they should be protected from every belief and opinion you disagree with. That is exactly what breeds entitlement and weakness.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

12 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

"Another alternative to the PLO encouraged by Israeli officials was Islamist politician Ahmed Yassin, a Muslim Brotherhood member who ran a network of mosques, clubs, and schools in Gaza. During the 1970s and 1980s, Israel granted licences and support to Yassin so that he could build and expand his network.[2][18] American research Jonathan Schanzer wrote that "by the late 1970s, the Israelis believed that they had found Fatah’s Achilles’ heel ... Fatah had become anxious over the growing influence of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza," saying that the Israelis subsequently "made the ill-fated decision to permit the Brotherhood to operate with relatively little oversight" so that it would undermine the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).[19] In the late 1980s, Yassin's network would evolve into the armed Islamist and nationalist group Hamas."[20]

@Husker_Du

1. That is not what you said... 

2.  It is Wikipedia anyway, Bro!

Seriously: Is your solution to keep sending foreign aid to Gaza so that Hamas can continue to steal it?

[Scouts Honor]

24 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas

"Another alternative to the PLO encouraged by Israeli officials was Islamist politician Ahmed Yassin, a Muslim Brotherhood member who ran a network of mosques, clubs, and schools in Gaza. During the 1970s and 1980s, Israel granted licences and support to Yassin so that he could build and expand his network.[2][18] American research Jonathan Schanzer wrote that "by the late 1970s, the Israelis believed that they had found Fatah’s Achilles’ heel ... Fatah had become anxious over the growing influence of the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza," saying that the Israelis subsequently "made the ill-fated decision to permit the Brotherhood to operate with relatively little oversight" so that it would undermine the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO).[19] In the late 1980s, Yassin's network would evolve into the armed Islamist and nationalist group Hamas."[20]

@Husker_Du

yes, even isreali's refuse to learn from history

and didn't think that the plo etc would just morph

[uncle bernard]

32 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

1. That is not what you said... 

2.  It is Wikipedia anyway, Bro!

Seriously: Is your solution to keep sending foreign aid to Gaza so that Hamas can continue to steal it?

They don't steal all of it. A lot of it still gets to the starving civilians. Hamas skimming off the top is a price I'm willing to pay to prevent famine.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

They don't steal all of it. A lot of it still gets to the starving civilians. Hamas skimming off the top is a price I'm willing to pay to prevent famine.

Or... maybe someone could completely get rid of Hamas and end the problem of them stealing?

[uncle bernard]

36 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

1. That is not what you said... 

2.  It is Wikipedia anyway, Bro!

Seriously: Is your solution to keep sending foreign aid to Gaza so that Hamas can continue to steal it?

The "it's wikipedia!" thing is a lazy, outdated retort. It's the sign of a stupid person.

Wikipedia cites its sources. You can clink the link and read them yourself and they're from reputable outlets and historians. 

Here are a few from the section I quoted:

Jonathan Schanzer - Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle for Palestine, Palgrave Macmillan (November 11, 2008) ISBN 0-230-60905-8.

https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/1989-and-the-rise-of-Hamas-611745#google_vignette

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2302309/how-and-why-israel-helped-create-hamas?amp=1

[uncle bernard]

4 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Or... maybe someone could completely get rid of Hamas and end the problem of them stealing?

They can and should. They just shouldn't kill tens of thousands of civilians to do it.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

4 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

They can and should. They just shouldn't kill tens of thousands of civilians to do it.

A big part of the problem is Hamas hiding behind and amongst those civilians, correct?

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

13 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

The "it's wikipedia!" thing is a lazy, outdated retort. It's the sign of a stupid person.

Wikipedia cites its sources. You can clink the link and read them yourself and they're from reputable outlets and historians. 

 

My MENSA qualification says otherwise!

I have altered articles on Wikipedia after finding errors.  (Errors dealing with my place of employment and an organization that I was in charge of.  The errors overly inflated my successes) That is how I know it is garbage.  It is a good place to start, but not a great source to cite.  That's just the way it is.  I can't help you if you do not understand.

AND what you quoted from Wkipedia isn't the same conspiracy theory lie you pedalled in your post!

Edited 14 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[uncle bernard]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

My MENSA qualification says otherwise!

I have altered articles on Wikipedia after finding errors.  (Errors dealing with my place of employment and an organization that I was in charge of.  The errors overly inflated my successes) That is how I know it is garbage.  It is a good place to start, but not a great source to cite.  That's just the way it is.  I can't help you if you do not understand.

AND what you quoted from Wkipedia isn't the same conspiracy theory lie you pedalled in your post!

I cited the reputable sources cited in Wikipedia.

Actually, it is. Israel empowered Hamas to undercut the legitimacy of the Palestinian peace process led by the PLO. This is what has allowed them to expand illegal settlements and continue to kill massive numbers of civilians.

This board is a perfect representation of this concept. When anybody thinks about Palestine, they think 'Hamas.' If you say anything in defense of Palestinians, they call you a terrorist supporter and Hamas lover. This entire thread is dedicated to that very thing!

I haven't said a single positive thing about Hamas on here, yet people call me a terrorist. That is the usefulness of Hamas for Israel. Hamas delegitimizes Palestinian struggle in the West because many people in the West are too stupid to distinguish between Hamas and Palestine or know the history of the Palestinian struggle.

If Israel were to wipe out Hamas tomorrow, they would need to invent a new Hamas. Next, it will be the PA, then if they take all of Palestine, they will use Hezbollah as a reason to start annexing Lebanon. 

[Scouts Honor]

i think we should all say clink the link from now on 

[Caveira]

18 minutes ago, uncle bernard said:

I cited the reputable sources cited in Wikipedia.

Actually, it is. Israel empowered Hamas to undercut the legitimacy of the Palestinian peace process led by the PLO. This is what has allowed them to expand illegal settlements and continue to kill massive numbers of civilians.

This board is a perfect representation of this concept. When anybody thinks about Palestine, they think 'Hamas.' If you say anything in defense of Palestinians, they call you a terrorist supporter and Hamas lover. This entire thread is dedicated to that very thing!

I haven't said a single positive thing about Hamas on here, yet people call me a terrorist. That is the usefulness of Hamas for Israel. Hamas delegitimizes Palestinian struggle in the West because many people in the West are too stupid to distinguish between Hamas and Palestine or know the history of the Palestinian struggle.

If Israel were to wipe out Hamas tomorrow, they would need to invent a new Hamas. Next, it will be the PA, then if they take all of Palestine, they will use Hezbollah as a reason to start annexing Lebanon. 

The people voted Hamas in as their representative government.  one of the things they ran on was armed anti Israel resistance.    This appealed to much of the populace.  

 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

5 hours ago, uncle bernard said:

I cited the reputable sources cited in Wikipedia.

Actually, it is. Israel empowered Hamas to undercut the legitimacy of the Palestinian peace process led by the PLO. This is what has allowed them to expand illegal settlements and continue to kill massive numbers of civilians.

This board is a perfect representation of this concept. When anybody thinks about Palestine, they think 'Hamas.' If you say anything in defense of Palestinians, they call you a terrorist supporter and Hamas lover. This entire thread is dedicated to that very thing!

I haven't said a single positive thing about Hamas on here, yet people call me a terrorist. That is the usefulness of Hamas for Israel. Hamas delegitimizes Palestinian struggle in the West because many people in the West are too stupid to distinguish between Hamas and Palestine or know the history of the Palestinian struggle.

If Israel were to wipe out Hamas tomorrow, they would need to invent a new Hamas. Next, it will be the PA, then if they take all of Palestine, they will use Hezbollah as a reason to start annexing Lebanon. 

How do you suggest Israel eliminate Hamas?  You are aware that Hamas tries to maximize civilian casualties, correct?  Do you deny that?

Also, your anti-Israel conspiracy theory goes just a bit too far.., Your Wiki article doesn't address your anti-Zionist theory, even though you were certain that it did.

Edited 6 hours ago by Interviewed_at_Weehawken

[Scouts Honor]

On 4/29/2025 at 6:51 AM, Husker_Du said:

no. it didn't.

the wokeness is now the norm. via media and the education system, everyone is a victim and an activist. 

I actually agree with RV. If the right doesnt follow up this Trump admin with another presidency, we're effed. 

another rabid victim

 

[Scouts Honor]

On 4/21/2025 at 4:14 PM, red viking said:

Hard to fight against u.s. weapons. It would be nothing similar if daddy wasn't handing them every weapon they asked for on a silver platter. 

lol

The US gives Israel 3.3B in foreign aid. This is 16% of Israel's defense budget... Not total budget, just defense. "propped up"

 

[Offthemat]

20 minutes ago, Scouts Honor said:

another rabid victim

 

The devil made me do it.