Let The Stock Market Burn!!!

[JimmySpeaks]

Has the Great Depression that was predicted by the wokester wingers on here hit yet?   

[red viking]

49 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Get rid of unlawfuls 

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/donald-trump-is-lying-about-immigrants-and-social-security-medicare/

Keep drinking the Kool Aid though. 

[Wrestleknownothing]

2 hours ago, Bigbrog said:

Regrets about what??  I have no problem with him expressing his opinion on the spending bill...I actually agree with him...but not sure how you made the jump to him regretting something??

It is easy. He left and the second he left he referred to Trump's "arguably the most significant piece of Legislation that will ever be signed in the History of our Country" as a "disgusting abomination". He even said he can't stand it anymore.

“I’m sorry, but I just can’t stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it.”

More Musk quotes on the way out the door, "I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the deficit, not just decreases it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

Meanwhile, he has been chastened by Tesla investors for taking his eye off the ball at the company that is his checking account. At the same time he says he is pulling back "a lot" on his previously promised campaign funding. In November he said he would play a significant role in the primaries, and now he says he has done enough.

Now you may argue that he never used the word regret, but if you want to argue that does not sound like a man with regrets, then I do not know what to say to you.

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

It is easy. He left and the second he left he referred to Trump's "arguably the most significant piece of Legislation that will ever be signed in the History of our Country" as a "disgusting abomination". He even said he can't stand it anymore.

“I’m sorry, but I just can’t stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it.”

More Musk quotes on the way out the door, "I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the deficit, not just decreases it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

Meanwhile, he has been chastened by Tesla investors for taking his eye off the ball at the company that is his checking account. At the same time he says he is pulling back "a lot" on his previously promised campaign funding. In November he said he would play a significant role in the primaries, and now he says he has done enough.

Now you may argue that he never used the word regret, but if you want to argue that does not sound like a man with regrets, then I do not know what to say to you.

Umm he said it before he left as well. 

[JimmySpeaks]

2 hours ago, red viking said:

https://www.americanprogressaction.org/article/donald-trump-is-lying-about-immigrants-and-social-security-medicare/

Keep drinking the Kool Aid though. 

For the 100th time WE SPEND $151 billion per year on Unlawfuls. 

[Caveira]

1 minute ago, JimmySpeaks said:

For the 100th time WE SPEND $151 billion per year on Unlawfuls. 

I wonder if it’s more.  They hide stuff in other bills that goes to illegals.    My real question is 151b federal or federal + state?   Illinois spent like 800 million last year alone.  

[ionel]

5 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

For the 100th time WE SPEND $151 billion per year on Unlawfuls. 

So $15.1T? 

[JimmySpeaks]

9 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I wonder if it’s more.  They hide stuff in other bills that goes to illegals.    My real question is 151b federal or federal + state?   Illinois spent like 800 million last year alone.  

It’s the most conservative estimate out there.  I use it for the wokesters 

[Wrestleknownothing]

13 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Umm he said it before he left as well. 

Yeah, that is how it typically works. While he was there he began to regret his choice. He began to express that before he left and did so with much greater force and harsher criticism after he left. Several of his quotes I used were from prior to his departure.

[Offthemat]

8 minutes ago, ionel said:

So $15.1T? 

Wouldn’t that be a thousand?

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, Offthemat said:

Wouldn’t that be a thousand?

k is a thousand

[JimmySpeaks]

3 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yeah, that is how it typically works. While he was there he began to regret his choice. He began to express that before he left and did so with much greater force and harsher criticism after he left. Several of his quotes I used were from prior to his departure.

Glad you agree. 

[Caveira]

2 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

It’s the most conservative estimate out there.  I use it for the wokesters 

I mean.  The wokesters don’t acknowledge that annual spending adds up Over a 10 year span and this is likely worth approx 2.1 trillion.    Do that  few times with doge and your 10-15 trillion into the  national debt over a decade.  
 

Now both parties of the federal government are useless when it comes to fiscal responsibility and could fark up even the best situation so this is a pipe dream…….   But it is what it is.  

[JimmySpeaks]

4 minutes ago, Caveira said:

I mean.  The wokesters don’t acknowledge that annual spending adds up Over a 10 year span and this is likely worth approx 2.1 trillion.    Do that  few times with doge and your 10-15 trillion into the  national debt over a decade.  
 

Now both parties of the federal government are useless when it comes to fiscal responsibility and could fark up even the best situation so this is a pipe dream…….   But it is what it is.  

It shouldn’t be hard to do either.  Stop paying them and they’ll stop coming. 

Edited June 4 by JimmySpeaks

[Wrestleknownothing]

28 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Glad you agree. 

Yes, I agree that what I originally said was accurate and your comment was a non sequitur.

[JimmySpeaks]

21 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

Yes, I agree that what I originally said was accurate and your comment was a non sequitur.

It was before the “way out the door” 

[Wrestleknownothing]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

It was before the “way out the door” 

you must annoy the shiiit out of your wife

[JimmySpeaks]

37 minutes ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

you must annoy the shiiit out of your wife

Its been almost 40 years so I hope so 

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

Umm he said it before he left as well. 

No, he did not.

 

7 hours ago, JimmySpeaks said:

For the 100th time WE SPEND $151 billion per year on Unlawfuls. 

You can say it 1000 times 'lil Jimmy, it doesn't make it any more of a lie.

This is a study done by an organization AGAINST immigration as a whole.

 

If you had even the slightest curiosity about ANYTHING you mindlessly repeat, you'd realize that's a fake number. That literally includes naturalized American Citizens(so for example...Barron Trump). Anyone born to someone who was here illegally. 

Elon Musk, HIS twelve kids would likewise be included(even the trans kid who turned him into a weird MAGA moron before MAGA(like last time) went back on EVERY promise to cut the deficit....Something that has happened every time we've had a Democrat as Commander in Chief since the early 80s.

Guess how many Republicans have cut the deficit since 1980? ONE. Bush Sr. And he was run out of office for it! 

 

 

But back to the claim that...it's nonsense. 

Quote

In summary, while unauthorized immigrants do contribute to public revenues through various taxes, studies reviewed by the CBO indicate that, at the state and local levels, these contributions do not fully offset the costs of services provided to them. At the federal level, the lack of specific data makes it challenging to determine the exact net fiscal impact. It's also important to recognize that these assessments are based on data that may not reflect current economic and demographic conditions.

 

[scourge165]

7 hours ago, ionel said:

So $15.1T? 

It would be closer to HURTING the United States Economy  over 10 years than it'd EVER be to COSTING the United States 151B a year.

 

You should know, if it's Jimmy, he's wildly misinformed and he's done little else but take someone's tweet and pass it off as their own.

You should also just know he certainly didn't put ANY thought in it.

The organization that came up with that number...pretty much just made it up. They includes NATURALIZED CITIZENS. So..."Lawful" citizens of the United States.... but if one of their parents was here illegally, THEN they count. Why? BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON THIS ORGANIZATION EXISTS. 

FAIR... Federation for American Immigration Reform;

1-So...now with that in mind, understand, they're INCLUDING Elon Musks 12 children, Barron Trump. 

Both Melania and Elon were "Unlawfully" here. Elon was here on a student visa. He dropped out. Once he did that, he was obligated to report that and return to South Africa. 

Melania was here on a Tourist or Business Visa. She was explicitly banned from engaging in paid work. The difference... which I'd hope you get, but I understand Jimmy reads this is a...say British Businessman can come over here to try and secure funding, sell a product, whatever. 

He CANNOT come over here and take a job. 

 

So despite the fact that Barron Trump was born to Donald Trump and Elon Musk's children were born to a...harem of women, they were illegally in the Country at one point so "FAIR" counts them as well. 

 

2-They do not include the HUNDREDS of millions in taxes they pay into the system that they will NEVER receive benefits from. That just...doesn't get added to how much they "cost" the United States. 

3-They are CONSUMERS. They make money here and then they...spend money here. 

 

4-This is the one that would REALLY screw the American Economy. 

If you took out every undocumented worker out of the Economy, it would cost 5 TRILLION over a decade and drop the GDP by an estimated 3%.

Who do you think is going to work on the farms, harvesting the produce, working construction...

 

And that's before you add the ASTRONOMICAL amount to go and find every person who has overstayed a travel visa or who didn't show up to an asylum hearing. 

 

On top of that, they have a LOWER crime rate than American Born Citizens(though circling back, "FAIR" doesn't count American born despite the...ya know, constitution, so that's apparently become a point of contention). 

 

You want to find the criminals...yeah, of course. You want to get rid of everyone who is undocumented...ok. 

Understand, it won't happen. It will decimate the economy...and while people who are utterly clueless like @JimmySpeakskeeps using the numbers from "FAIR," which is kinda like trusting a study from the CCP on human rights violations(which according to them, they've NEVER committed one violation)... we're all capable of using some common sense. 

 

Economic Costs

• GDP Reduction: Undocumented immigrants constitute approximately 5% of the U.S. workforce. Their removal could lead to a 2.6% decrease in GDP, amounting to nearly $5 trillion over a decade. unidosus.org

• Tax Revenue Loss: In 2022, undocumented immigrant households contributed $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. Their absence would significantly reduce government revenues

• Deportation Costs: The direct cost of deporting all undocumented immigrants is estimated at $400 billion, PER YEAR to accomplish the widespread deportations that Trump wants.

 

At a time when we're suffering from low Birthrates...which only look sustainable because we only compare ourselves to China... who threw out a generation of little girls because of their 1 child policy, people really think it's a good idea to just get rid of EVERY single non-citizen?

Even those those who came from legal ports of entry, those who are working, and again, those who are some of the MOST essential workers who help harvest the food we eat... but you want to throw them all out, fine.

 

Just please don't insult anyone's intelligence by saying you're doing it for safety or doing it for financial reasons. The financial cost is catastrophic to the United States Government. 

 

As I said when Trump introduced the highest Tariffs, since 1920(higher than Smoot-Hawley) and we saw the markets absolutely tank, MAINLY the Bond Markets which are still in big-big trouble(which lasted 2.5 days and was also crippling our economy... if we were to do what some people are suggesting, it will be just as crippling as TACO's tariffs. 

 

One last thing, lets JUST look at Nebraska. 

Potential Economic Risks of Mass Deportations

• Labor Shortages: Nebraska faces one of the worst labor shortages in the country, with only 39 workers available for every 100 jobs . Removing undocumented workers could exacerbate this issue, leading to operational challenges across various industries.nprillinois.org

• Economic Disruption: The departure of undocumented workers could lead to decreased productivity and increased labor costs, potentially resulting in higher prices for consumers and financial strain on businesses .theguardian.com

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Broader Implications

Beyond immediate economic impacts, mass deportations could disrupt communities, separate families, and place additional burdens on social services. The loss of a significant portion of the workforce may also deter investment and hinder economic growth.

[JimmySpeaks]

https://www.aei.org/opportunity-social-mobility/key-data-on-federal-benefits-paid-to-illegal-immigrant-households/#:~:text=How much are those costs,costs the U.S. %248%2C776 annually.”
 

 

just because you don’t like the study being done doesn’t mean it’s not true.  Btw the $151 BILLION IS NET. ITS AFTER THE $30 BILLION IN TAXES COLLECTED. reading helps. 

Edited June 4 by JimmySpeaks

[JimmySpeaks]

Scrooge tried so hard not to respond to me.  He just couldn’t do it. Bahhahahahahahaha

[JimmySpeaks]

$151 Billion NET

[ionel]

3 hours ago, scourge165 said:

It would be closer to HURTING the United States Economy  over 10 years than it'd EVER be to COSTING the United States 151B a year.

 

You should know, if it's Jimmy, he's wildly misinformed and he's done little else but take someone's tweet and pass it off as their own.

You should also just know he certainly didn't put ANY thought in it.

The organization that came up with that number...pretty much just made it up. They includes NATURALIZED CITIZENS. So..."Lawful" citizens of the United States.... but if one of their parents was here illegally, THEN they count. Why? BECAUSE IT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY REASON THIS ORGANIZATION EXISTS. 

FAIR... Federation for American Immigration Reform;

1-So...now with that in mind, understand, they're INCLUDING Elon Musks 12 children, Barron Trump. 

Both Melania and Elon were "Unlawfully" here. Elon was here on a student visa. He dropped out. Once he did that, he was obligated to report that and return to South Africa. 

Melania was here on a Tourist or Business Visa. She was explicitly banned from engaging in paid work. The difference... which I'd hope you get, but I understand Jimmy reads this is a...say British Businessman can come over here to try and secure funding, sell a product, whatever. 

He CANNOT come over here and take a job. 

 

So despite the fact that Barron Trump was born to Donald Trump and Elon Musk's children were born to a...harem of women, they were illegally in the Country at one point so "FAIR" counts them as well. 

 

2-They do not include the HUNDREDS of millions in taxes they pay into the system that they will NEVER receive benefits from. That just...doesn't get added to how much they "cost" the United States. 

3-They are CONSUMERS. They make money here and then they...spend money here. 

 

4-This is the one that would REALLY screw the American Economy. 

If you took out every undocumented worker out of the Economy, it would cost 5 TRILLION over a decade and drop the GDP by an estimated 3%.

Who do you think is going to work on the farms, harvesting the produce, working construction...

 

And that's before you add the ASTRONOMICAL amount to go and find every person who has overstayed a travel visa or who didn't show up to an asylum hearing. 

 

On top of that, they have a LOWER crime rate than American Born Citizens(though circling back, "FAIR" doesn't count American born despite the...ya know, constitution, so that's apparently become a point of contention). 

 

You want to find the criminals...yeah, of course. You want to get rid of everyone who is undocumented...ok. 

Understand, it won't happen. It will decimate the economy...and while people who are utterly clueless like @JimmySpeakskeeps using the numbers from "FAIR," which is kinda like trusting a study from the CCP on human rights violations(which according to them, they've NEVER committed one violation)... we're all capable of using some common sense. 

 

Economic Costs

• GDP Reduction: Undocumented immigrants constitute approximately 5% of the U.S. workforce. Their removal could lead to a 2.6% decrease in GDP, amounting to nearly $5 trillion over a decade. unidosus.org

• Tax Revenue Loss: In 2022, undocumented immigrant households contributed $46.8 billion in federal taxes and $29.3 billion in state and local taxes. Their absence would significantly reduce government revenues

• Deportation Costs: The direct cost of deporting all undocumented immigrants is estimated at $400 billion, PER YEAR to accomplish the widespread deportations that Trump wants.

 

At a time when we're suffering from low Birthrates...which only look sustainable because we only compare ourselves to China... who threw out a generation of little girls because of their 1 child policy, people really think it's a good idea to just get rid of EVERY single non-citizen?

Even those those who came from legal ports of entry, those who are working, and again, those who are some of the MOST essential workers who help harvest the food we eat... but you want to throw them all out, fine.

 

Just please don't insult anyone's intelligence by saying you're doing it for safety or doing it for financial reasons. The financial cost is catastrophic to the United States Government. 

 

As I said when Trump introduced the highest Tariffs, since 1920(higher than Smoot-Hawley) and we saw the markets absolutely tank, MAINLY the Bond Markets which are still in big-big trouble(which lasted 2.5 days and was also crippling our economy... if we were to do what some people are suggesting, it will be just as crippling as TACO's tariffs. 

 

One last thing, lets JUST look at Nebraska. 

Potential Economic Risks of Mass Deportations

• Labor Shortages: Nebraska faces one of the worst labor shortages in the country, with only 39 workers available for every 100 jobs . Removing undocumented workers could exacerbate this issue, leading to operational challenges across various industries.nprillinois.org

• Economic Disruption: The departure of undocumented workers could lead to decreased productivity and increased labor costs, potentially resulting in higher prices for consumers and financial strain on businesses .theguardian.com

---

Broader Implications

Beyond immediate economic impacts, mass deportations could disrupt communities, separate families, and place additional burdens on social services. The loss of a significant portion of the workforce may also deter investment and hinder economic growth.

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[Bigbrog]

17 hours ago, Wrestleknownothing said:

It is easy. He left and the second he left he referred to Trump's "arguably the most significant piece of Legislation that will ever be signed in the History of our Country" as a "disgusting abomination". He even said he can't stand it anymore.

“I’m sorry, but I just can’t stand it anymore. This massive, outrageous, pork-filled Congressional spending bill is a disgusting abomination. Shame on those who voted for it: you know you did wrong. You know it.”

More Musk quotes on the way out the door, "I was disappointed to see the massive spending bill, frankly, which increases the deficit, not just decreases it, and undermines the work that the DOGE team is doing."

Meanwhile, he has been chastened by Tesla investors for taking his eye off the ball at the company that is his checking account. At the same time he says he is pulling back "a lot" on his previously promised campaign funding. In November he said he would play a significant role in the primaries, and now he says he has done enough.

Now you may argue that he never used the word regret, but if you want to argue that does not sound like a man with regrets, then I do not know what to say to you.

LOL...so again, you admit he never said "regret" and then did everything in your power to magically understand what he is thinking and feeling...come on man?!?!

Let's play a game to get at what I assume is the real reason you said he "regrets" something....say the hypothetical in your brain was actually true and Elon all of sudden is against Trump, and regrets ever working with/for him, would you magically change your stance on Elon and all of a sudden becomes a supporter of his again??  Or will you continue your blind hate??