Trumps Tariffs

[scourge165]

  On 4/4/2025 at 7:46 PM, Scouts Honor said:

 

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Cute Tweet. Pick a Metric and show me which one the Republicans are better at than the Democrats?

GDP growth?
Unemployment?
The Stock Market?
Growth of the middle class?

Where have Republicans done better at handling the Economy than the Democrats?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party#:~:text=Since World War II%2C the,income growth%2C and corporate profits.

[scourge165]

  On 4/4/2025 at 5:17 PM, Scouts Honor said:

i agree, we need to start making stuff here again.

but first we have to deal with the fact that if i start something...

i suddenly have 20-50 govt agencies crawling up my behind

and maybe other problems which i will post in a min.

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That's a state issue.

Texas is the poster child for no regulation and California is the same for over regulation.

I've started two(three, but one is just a LLC buying real estate) and...it was VERY easy, very little regulation other than a liquor license. 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:02 PM, scourge165 said:

Cute Tweet. Pick a Metric and show me which one the Republicans are better at than the Democrats?

GDP growth?
Unemployment?
The Stock Market?
Growth of the middle class?

Where have Republicans done better at handling the Economy than the Democrats?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party#:~:text=Since World War II%2C the,income growth%2C and corporate profits.

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you would have to take that up with cooke

[scourge165]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:06 PM, Scouts Honor said:

you would have to take that up with cooke

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I assumed since you posted it, you would have some opinion on it that may be your own. 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:05 PM, scourge165 said:

That's a state issue.

Texas is the poster child for no regulation and California is the same for over regulation.

I've started two(three, but one is just a LLC buying real estate) and...it was VERY easy, very little regulation other than a liquor license. 

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im talking about actually making a factory or something to create something... not just any old business. 

like the tweet below that post about making steel.

that corp has the money to deal with the regs etc... to make a steel mill.

no person could at this point make a steel mill. no group of people could make one.

 

i mean someone called the cops on a kid who was selling food to earn money to buy school clothes.

he wasn't up to code. luckily the inspectors helped him get to code instead of shutting him down.

[Scouts Honor]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:07 PM, scourge165 said:

I assumed since you posted it, you would have some opinion on it that may be your own. 

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well i already have

i give you

paul krugman

economist extraordinaire of the democrats 

[Wrestleknownothing]

  On 4/4/2025 at 7:46 PM, Scouts Honor said:

 

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Those dastardly Democrats fooled Trump into the Dumbest Trade War in history. Thanks, Obama.

[scourge165]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:17 PM, Scouts Honor said:

well i already have

i give you

paul krugman

economist extraordinaire of the democrats 

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So you think this will be WORSE than Smoot-Hawley?

If you're citing Paul Krugman, then...ok. 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/billionaire-bill-ackman-delivers-frank-3-word-message-on-tariff-war

[Gene Mills Fan]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:02 PM, scourge165 said:

Cute Tweet. Pick a Metric and show me which one the Republicans are better at than the Democrats?

GDP growth?
Unemployment?
The Stock Market?
Growth of the middle class?

Where have Republicans done better at handling the Economy than the Democrats?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party#:~:text=Since World War II%2C the,income growth%2C and corporate profits.

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I only have my experience with no 401k growth from 2008 -2016  compared to what happened 2016-Covid. No thanks Obama

[TylerDurden]

  On 4/5/2025 at 12:26 PM, Gene Mills Fan said:

I only have my experience with no 401k growth from 2008 -2016  compared to what happened 2016-Covid. No thanks Obama

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The stock market started the longest bull run in history in March of 2009, just two months after Obama took office. By the time Trump took office, the S&P 500 was at an all-time high and we had just seen the second-best stock market performance during a presidency of all time. If you didn't experience growth from 2008-2016, the stock market might not be for you.

Obama was great for investors, second only to Clinton. The numbers are what they are. 

 

[lisa morales]

I'm just happy Switzerland was hit with 32% tariffs.  I never liked those people.  

[1032004]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:02 PM, scourge165 said:

Cute Tweet. Pick a Metric and show me which one the Republicans are better at than the Democrats?

GDP growth?
Unemployment?
The Stock Market?
Growth of the middle class?

Where have Republicans done better at handling the Economy than the Democrats?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party#:~:text=Since World War II%2C the,income growth%2C and corporate profits.

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It seems that a main goal of the tariffs is to “bring American jobs back.”

But unemployment had been pretty low, that’s one of the few things Republicans couldn’t really rag on Biden about, so basically Trump is trying to fix an issue that isn’t really broken (and could get worse depending on how the tariffs effect employers). 

The main thing they could rag on Biden about was inflation, but tariffs are only going to make that worse.  Even if they do actually “bring American jobs back,” it’s a lot more expensive to produce stuff in America, yet in most cases if it’s even possible to produce here (which isn’t always true), it will probably still be cheaper to keep producing it overseas but it will just cost consumers more.

I think even a lot of Republicans thought Trump was bluffing about tariffs.  Or at minimum didn’t think he’d go to this extreme.  But of course people are now afraid to criticize him.  Doing a quick search on x, even co-President Musk seems to be ignoring this topic.  His only post with the word tariff or tariffs since 2021 was one a few weeks ago where he pointed out that Tesla is impacted by the tariffs.

[JimmySpeaks]

Vietnam and Cambodia 

[Scouts Honor]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:44 PM, scourge165 said:

So you think this will be WORSE than Smoot-Hawley?

If you're citing Paul Krugman, then...ok. 

 

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krugman is that great democrat economist... don't turn the tables on me.

you asked me about the tweet about dems always being wrong

i gave you krugman... who is always wrong 

[scourge165]

  On 4/5/2025 at 12:26 PM, Gene Mills Fan said:

I only have my experience with no 401k growth from 2008 -2016  compared to what happened 2016-Covid. No thanks Obama

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Yeah, you should be. 

The S&P was up 70% during Obama's time in office vs 28% during Trump's time in office(I'm leaving out this week but it probably should be included since he just wiped out one of the strongest years of growth in 3 days), despite coming in during the housing crisis left him. So...yeah, I would be saying "thanks Obama."

You must have a self managed 401K...which is fine, but that's user error, not on Obama issue. 

 

 

Google it, look it up. See who added the most to the debt, who has added the most jobs...any metric. But telling me 'MY 401K did bad during this period when we were in one of the longest bull runs in recent history...I don't know what the point of that is. 

[scourge165]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:16 PM, Scouts Honor said:

im talking about actually making a factory or something to create something... not just any old business. 

like the tweet below that post about making steel.

that corp has the money to deal with the regs etc... to make a steel mill.

no person could at this point make a steel mill. no group of people could make one.

 

i mean someone called the cops on a kid who was selling food to earn money to buy school clothes.

he wasn't up to code. luckily the inspectors helped him get to code instead of shutting him down.

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I don't know what you're talking about. 

Steel Mills? Is that a normal small business that people are looking to start?

And then some anecdote about someone calling the police on a kid? 

[scourge165]

  On 4/5/2025 at 4:11 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

Vietnam and Cambodia 

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I haven't followed how the economies of Vietnam or Cambodia have done under Democrat and Republican leadership James....so I wouldn't know how to respond to this.

I know how the AMERICAN Economy has done under Democrat and Republican Leadership... and the reason you don't see anyone saying, "hey, look at how many more jobs the Republicans created vs the Democrats," or "look how the Democrats have added more to the debt," is because...they can't, it's not true and it's easy to show how it's not true. 

[scourge165]

  On 4/4/2025 at 8:17 PM, Scouts Honor said:

well i already have

i give you

paul krugman

economist extraordinaire of the democrats 

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Ok...so you have really nothing. 

Some guy tweeted the Democrats at bad at handling the economy. You, being unable to handle the economy...just say..."Paul Krugman?"

Cool. So you have absolutely nothing you can contribute. Not one independent thought or even dependent thought based on someone else's opinion that you can expand on, just...look 'Cook says Dems bad at economy!'

 

Great. Who is crashing it right now?

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 4/5/2025 at 10:25 PM, scourge165 said:

I haven't followed how the economies of Vietnam or Cambodia have done under Democrat and Republican leadership James....so I wouldn't know how to respond to this.

I know how the AMERICAN Economy has done under Democrat and Republican Leadership... and the reason you don't see anyone saying, "hey, look at how many more jobs the Republicans created vs the Democrats," or "look how the Democrats have added more to the debt," is because...they can't, it's not true and it's easy to show how it's not true. 

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Sounds like Scrooge got into someone’s morphine.  

[scourge165]

  On 4/5/2025 at 10:40 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

Sounds like Scrooge got into someone’s morphine.  

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Ok, so your response to show me one metric that supports your point about Republicans handling the Economy better than the Democrats is "Vietnam and Cambodia," and then when I call you on that, you make a joke because...I foolishly said on here I had a parent headed to hospice?

The difference 'JImmy' is I'm not upset because I'm losing an argument here like you are, I'm upset because what Trump is doing is just objectively harmful to to the Economy. 

You're upset because you're incapable of actually articulating an independent thought...but I'm sure you thought that was really clever. 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 4/5/2025 at 10:56 PM, scourge165 said:

Ok, so your response to show me one metric that supports your point about Republicans handling the Economy better than the Democrats is "Vietnam and Cambodia," and then when I call you on that, you make a joke because...I foolishly said on here I had a parent headed to hospice?

The difference 'JImmy' is I'm not upset because I'm losing an argument here like you are, I'm upset because what Trump is doing is just objectively harmful to to the Economy. 

You're upset because you're incapable of actually articulating an independent thought...but I'm sure you thought that was really clever. 

 

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You’re completely clueless.  The Vietnam Cambodia comment wasn’t even directed at you but ok.  ASSume much ? 

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 4/5/2025 at 10:56 PM, scourge165 said:

Ok, so your response to show me one metric that supports your point about Republicans handling the Economy better than the Democrats is "Vietnam and Cambodia," and then when I call you on that, you make a joke because...I foolishly said on here I had a parent headed to hospice?

The difference 'JImmy' is I'm not upset because I'm losing an argument here like you are, I'm upset because what Trump is doing is just objectively harmful to to the Economy. 

You're upset because you're incapable of actually articulating an independent thought...but I'm sure you thought that was really clever. 

 

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I know your ego is huge and needs to be fed but not everything is about YOU.  Maybe get into the morphine a bit more than you already have.   

[scourge165]

  On 4/5/2025 at 10:59 PM, JimmySpeaks said:

You’re completely clueless.  The Vietnam Cambodia comment wasn’t even directed at you but ok.  ASSume much ? 

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That's...just lazy lil Jimmy.
I get it. You thought you had a super clever comeback and it didn't really work out. 

Topic-How the Democrats handling of the Economy vs the Republicans
That's what everyone is posting about.
But you just blurted out Vietnam and Cambodia, never making any actual point...but it wasn't even about that!

 

LOL...sure bud. 

[JimmySpeaks]

  On 4/5/2025 at 11:08 PM, scourge165 said:

That's...just lazy lil Jimmy.
I get it. You thought you had a super clever comeback and it didn't really work out. 

Topic-How the Democrats handling of the Economy vs the Republicans
That's what everyone is posting about.
But you just blurted out Vietnam and Cambodia, never making any actual point...but it wasn't even about that!

 

LOL...sure bud. 

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The topic is Trumps Tariffs right?   Today I did some reading on what’s happening in Vietnam and Cambodia with tariff talks.  You should check it out.   WOW.  Sounds like those chairs really sucked to sleep in 

Edited April 5 by JimmySpeaks