Welsh to PSU makes no sense

[ionel]

Just now, Kov88 said:

There does seem like there needs to be stricter rules, not exactly sure how they go about that….. but yeah posting, “Ohio state is home, I’m staying home, go bucks”, then leaving a few months later does seem dishonest to me

What's the point of "stricter rules" if the NCAA isn't going to enforce the rules? 

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

But that would not be NIL then.  Your image value doesn't dissappear because you move.  That would be more like pay to play and surely no one is doing that.  

Pay to play is exactly what’s happening.  Name/image/Likeness has nothing to do with the portal.  

[ionel]

Just now, JimmySpeaks said:

Pay to play is exactly what’s happening.  Name/image/Likeness has nothing to do with the portal.  

I think we all know that and it is illegal but no one is enforcing the rules. 

[JimmySpeaks]

Just now, ionel said:

I think we all know that and it is illegal but no one is enforcing the rules. 

But it’s not illegal anymore 

[Kov88]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

What's the point of "stricter rules" if the NCAA isn't going to enforce the rules? 

Well the “hope” is that they would

[JimmySpeaks]

1 minute ago, ionel said:

I think we all know that and it is illegal but no one is enforcing the rules. 

I can use my name/ image/likeness to sell T shirts, video games or do commercials. I can also transfer to the highest bidder. Completely separate things. 

[ionel]

11 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

But it’s not illegal anymore 

Pay to play is. 

[ionel]

10 minutes ago, JimmySpeaks said:

I can use my name/ image/likeness to sell T shirts, video games or do commercials. I can also transfer to the highest bidder. Completely separate things. 

Probably not unless your name is Jimmy Cinnabon ... he has an image & value.  Who wouldn't buy a JC Welch on a Bet t-shirt.  

[JimmySpeaks]

9 minutes ago, ionel said:

Probably not unless your name is Jimmy Cinnabon ... he has an image & value.  Who wouldn't buy a JC Welch on a Bet t-shirt.  

No idea what this means but ok. 

[JimmySpeaks]

16 minutes ago, ionel said:

Pay to play is. 

 

[JimmySpeaks]

19 minutes ago, ionel said:

Pay to play is. 

It’s called revenue sharing in the power five now. 

[Boring]

1 hour ago, wrestle87 said:

The only difference is Welsh has a demonstrated track record of success at the college level.

Hence the only reason Cael is interested. 

[Boring]

2 hours ago, BruceyB said:

Time honored? What?

Go ask Tom Brands. 

[juniorvarsity]

2 of 6 will see the lineup

[cl415]

2 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

2 of 6 will see the lineup

Insane 

[Elevator]

Some may be happy with the Cassar path - lost close battle for starting role, gets the call in the big dula meet against Ohio State and beats the #1 as the PSU backup and then goes up and beats an all-timer for NCAA title.  Kasak and Davis have their own (unfinished stories, where they both found their way into the lineup and have had sucess despite incredible depth at their weights.

[Dogbone]

17 minutes ago, juniorvarsity said:

2 of 6 will see the lineup

It just goes to show you they can't develop talent.   If you aren't good after 1 year, SEE YA!  

[1032004]

1 hour ago, juniorvarsity said:

2 of 6 will see the lineup

You’re assuming Ryder doesn’t beat out Welsh? 

[Truzzcat]

49 minutes ago, 1032004 said:

You’re assuming Ryder doesn’t beat out Welsh? 

If I am a coach I am taking Ryder 19 turning 20 with 4 years left over welsh 21 turning 22 with 3 years left. That being said Ryder going to OT with AJ Heeg this year does not lead me to think he can beat Rocco yet.

[Truzzcat]

If I am I am Ryder I am going to train with DT,Zahid,Plott,Caldwell,Thompson,Lockett,Olejnik,Hamiti,Merill and using all 4 years Okie state has built and is still building a really incredible RTC I wonder if these younger guys will start to notice that.

Edited 13 hours ago by Truzzcat

[CHROMEBIRD]

1 hour ago, Truzzcat said:

If I am I am Ryder I am going to train with DT,Zahid,Plott,Caldwell,Thompson,Lockett,Olejnik,Hamiti,Merill and using all 4 years Okie state has built and is still building a really incredible RTC I wonder if these younger guys will start to notice that.

Yeah, it's wild that Rocco didn't end up at OSU. I don't think he'll make the lineup, which sounds crazy to say. Also, isn't Ryder buddies with PJ Duke? If Ryder loses his spot and ends up leaving, PSU risks Duke checking out too.

[Truzzcat]

1 hour ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Yeah, it's wild that Rocco didn't end up at OSU. I don't think he'll make the lineup, which sounds crazy to say. Also, isn't Ryder buddies with PJ Duke? If Ryder loses his spot and ends up leaving, PSU risks Duke checking out too.

He was supposed to go visit there and then that got canceled last minute a day or two prior to his commitment. Certainly could not have been money related because PSU does not pay guys so I am not sure what the cause of that was.

[1032004]

1 hour ago, CHROMEBIRD said:

Yeah, it's wild that Rocco didn't end up at OSU. I don't think he'll make the lineup, which sounds crazy to say. Also, isn't Ryder buddies with PJ Duke? If Ryder loses his spot and ends up leaving, PSU risks Duke checking out too.

I believe the 3 of them were all from the same club no?

[WrestlingRasta]

On 3/29/2025 at 1:05 AM, BruceyB said:

U.S. world/olympic medalists during Cael's tenure..

Dake - Cornell

Diakimahalis - Cornell

Arujau - Cornell

Snyder - tOSU

Stieber - tOSU

Burroughs - Nebraska

Green - Nebraska

Lee - Iowa

Gilman - Iowa

Ramos - Iowa

Valencia - ASU

Fix - OKST

Cox - MIZZ

Gwiazdowski - NCST

Parris - Michigan

Steveson - Minnesota

 

DT - PSU

Retherford - PSU

Brooks - PSU

 

What does starting at PSU have to do with medaling at worlds? Of all the greats at PSU over the last 15 years, three have gone on to win world medals (this entire list is off the top of my head, it's not 100%). If anything, their dominance at the college level but inability to get those studs on a world team is concerning. I'm being facetious, but honestly.. their dominance at the NCAA level has not at all translated to senior level competition.

 

Just to play devils advocate, another way to look at that is that under his tenure, no one has gotten more medals or gold. 
 

(PS I don’t think Ramos ever medaled) 

Edited 9 hours ago by WrestlingRasta