Who overachieved and who underachieved?

[Maxwell Smart]

Have to go with Nebraska and Illinois for their success in the tourney.

Iowa and Ohio State didn't have the tourney they wanted or needed.

Too many overachieving underclassman to mention, the future looks bright.

Too many underachieving long time wrestlers, exceptions being Byrd and Steveson.  Both had time off.

[Lunaticfringe]

Individually Tyler Wells, Cooper Flynn, Ryder Rogotzke and Carson Kharchla. Wells and Flynn were ranked as high as 6-7 this year. Neither shoot anymore, weight cuts are killing them. Both move up next season.

[Lunaticfringe]

I also believe redshirting guys is overrated. Most are worse year 5-6 due to injuries

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

Minnesota overachieved 

[bnwtwg]

There are only two of us on this forum that if a person said back in October  "Illinois is going to have 1 Big Ten champion, 2 finalists, and at least 8 qualifiers" that we would have nodded our head and said "Poeta 1, Jombo zero. See ya in March."

This one was for him.

[Wrestleknownothing]

1 minute ago, bnwtwg said:

There are only two of us on this forum that if a person said back in October  "Illinois is going to have 1 Big Ten champion, 2 finalists, and at least 8 qualifiers" that we would have nodded our head and said "Poeta 1, Jombo zero. See ya in March."

This one was for him.

Amen

[Pinnacle]

Win one for Jombo!

[flyingcement]

I was imagining Jombo yelling stalling at Ayala while he was getting a good look at the ceiling of Welsh-Ryan Arena

[Packard]

The Brands and Iowa underperformed as usual. They consistently do the least with the most resources. Take Spencer Lee out and they Cory Clark was their last National Champion - in 2017. 

[Ragu]

Cornell with 10 in Philly

[flyingcement]

17 minutes ago, Ragu said:

Cornell with 10 in Philly

impressive considering they faced significant injuries

[Grecojones]

Maybe throw OK state in the under perform column. 

[cowcards]

1 hour ago, bnwtwg said:

There are only two of us on this forum that if a person said back in October  "Illinois is going to have 1 Big Ten champion, 2 finalists, and at least 8 qualifiers" that we would have nodded our head and said "Poeta 1, Jombo zero. See ya in March."

This one was for him.

Not from this forum, but I did predict this back in May before Kraisser committed:

125 - Attasuauov [Fringe NQ depending on weight]
133 - Byrd (AA [Top-4])
141 - Pucino (NQ)
149 - Webster (AA)
157 - Scoles (NQ)
165 - Moore (NQ)
174 - Braunagel (Blood Round/AA)
184 - Ruth (AA)
197 - Braunagel (Blood Round/AA)
285 - Luffman (Blood Round/AA)

I thought they'd have 9 NQ's, but not 2 finalists. Would've just thought 1. 

[bnwtwg]

22 minutes ago, cowcards said:

Not from this forum, but I did predict this back in May before Kraisser committed:

125 - Attasuauov [Fringe NQ depending on weight]
133 - Byrd (AA [Top-4])
141 - Pucino (NQ)
149 - Webster (AA)
157 - Scoles (NQ)
165 - Moore (NQ)
174 - Braunagel (Blood Round/AA)
184 - Ruth (AA)
197 - Braunagel (Blood Round/AA)
285 - Luffman (Blood Round/AA)

I thought they'd have 9 NQ's, but not 2 finalists. Would've just thought 1. 

I think Pucino has a puncher's chance for that 9th NQ. That's step one. Step two is showing up when it matters most in a couple weeks. Illinois can do this.

[RawDog]

What's up with Mendez? I thought he was a lock to win in the first half of the season. Now he has taken several losses to guys he beat last year. He looks fatter and slower(not fat but not as much definition).  Not as much pop in his attacks and not stalking and constantly attacking like he was.  He beat Yanni and almost beat Zain for the Olympic team in the off-season and was looking like a guaranteed 3 timer. Now he is struggling with several high level college guys.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

6 hours ago, RawDog said:

What's up with Mendez? I thought he was a lock to win in the first half of the season. Now he has taken several losses to guys he beat last year. He looks fatter and slower(not fat but not as much definition).  Not as much pop in his attacks and not stalking and constantly attacking like he was.  He beat Yanni and almost beat Zain for the Olympic team in the off-season and was looking like a guaranteed 3 timer. Now he is struggling with several high level college guys.

Bartlett is 2-0 against him this season, which is surprising. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

9 hours ago, Packard said:

The Brands and Iowa underperformed as usual. They consistently do the least with the most resources. Take Spencer Lee out and they Cory Clark was their last National Champion - in 2017. 

Why would you take Spencer Lee out?

Take David Taylor out and NLWC has never had an Olympic finalist.

 

But back to the original point: PSU/NLWC has more financial resources.

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

1 minute ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Why would you take Spencer Lee out?

Take David Taylor out and NLWC has never had an Olympic finalist.

 

But back to the original point: PSU/NLWC has more financial resources.

I agree, Iowa did not underperform.

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

2 minutes ago, Jimmy Cinnabon said:

I agree, Iowa did not underperform.

They absolutely DID underperform.  But why take out their best wrestler from the last decade?

[JimmyCinnabon]

9 hours ago, Packard said:

The Brands and Iowa underperformed as usual. They consistently do the least with the most resources. Take Spencer Lee out and they Cory Clark was their last National Champion - in 2017. 

I am not arguing that Iowa and Brands didn't underperformed by why are we taking Spencer Lee out of the broader equation here?

Edited 4 hours ago by JimmyCinnabon

[Jimmy Cinnabon]

5 minutes ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

They absolutely DID underperform.  But why take out their best wrestler from the last decade?

Did you expect them to beat Penn State, or just take 2nd?

[cowcards]

9 hours ago, bnwtwg said:

I think Pucino has a puncher's chance for that 9th NQ. That's step one. Step two is showing up when it matters most in a couple weeks. Illinois can do this.

I think he will. He should be 2nd in line behind Edmond. He earned a bid, 2nd highest ranked of pool, and beat Scott, who is in the pool. His only losses are to the field, except Porter. He has no wins against the field, which will hurt. 

Although I don't know the criteria for selecting the at-large and there could be some insane rule to prevent it. I know there was something about being the first place outside of qualification having priority at one point. Even so, if Porter gets in, then Pucino has a win vs. the field and shifts his losses to all against the field. 

[Packard]

1 hour ago, Interviewed_at_Weehawken said:

Why would you take Spencer Lee out?

Take David Taylor out and NLWC has never had an Olympic finalist.

 

But back to the original point: PSU/NLWC has more financial resources.

Mainly because Spencer Lee came into college ready to be a multiple time national champion. He could have gone to NDSU and won 2 nattys. 
 

So, take out a generational talent that didn’t require much coaching and Iowa hasn’t had a national champion since 2017. 
 

In that time span, off the top of my head, VA Tech, Northern Iowa, and Cornell have all had multiple people win a natty. For the premier program in college wrestling that seems like an underperforming program. 

[Interviewed_at_Weehawken]

29 minutes ago, Packard said:

Mainly because Spencer Lee came into college ready to be a multiple time national champion. He could have gone to NDSU and won 2 nattys. 
 

So, take out a generational talent that didn’t require much coaching and Iowa hasn’t had a national champion since 2017. 
 

In that time span, off the top of my head, VA Tech, Northern Iowa, and Cornell have all had multiple people win a natty. For the premier program in college wrestling that seems like an underperforming program. 

The premier program? Not for a while!

I bet David Taylor would have won two national titles at NDSU also.  Heck... I think he would have won three at NDSU.

And what is a natty? A Natural Light?

[headshuck]

So since 2017 Iowa has only had one national champion?