Big 12 Tournament

[BruceyB]

Seibrecht (sp) over Chittum. B12s have been awesome.

[1032004]

Burwikkkk to the finals

[CHROMEBIRD]

1 hour ago, nhs67 said:

Needs to place Top 4.  He hasn't (yet).

I thought it was top 6?

[BruceyB]

Steed over Barraclough. Madness ensues. Going to have to have @Wrestleknownothing find the lowest average final seeds in B12s in the last 20 years. This has to be in the running.

[Crotalus]

Happy to see Steed get the win. Mizzou is having an awful tournament.

[wrestlingfan22]

53 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

I think 4-5 is as high as he could go. Mendez has H2H win over Jamison, so I would assume Mendez/Bartlett are 1 and 2, Tagen/Happel the 3, and then you could probably argue a case for Jordan Williams, McNeil (assuming he wins ACC), and third place finishers at big12/big10s. It will be interesting.

I really doubt Jordan Williams or McNeil will be seeded anywhere at 141

[BruceyB]

13 minutes ago, wrestlingfan22 said:

I really doubt Jordan Williams or McNeil will be seeded anywhere at 141

Got me there.  Oops.

[flyingcement]

Voelker and Surber both eek out respective victories and will meet in the finals.  I honestly root for both of those guys as well as their semifinal opponents in Novak and Glazier

[Crotalus]

Hwy semis much more predictable than the rest of the tournament. Rod Farva utterly dominates, and Schultz is boring as *I poop my pants, don't laugh at me*.

[ionel]

29 minutes ago, wrestlingfan22 said:

I really doubt Jordan Williams ... will be seeded anywhere at 141

Yeah prob not since he's 149. 

[BruceyB]

12 minutes ago, ionel said:

Yeah prob not since he's 149. 

That was on me. My excitement got my fingers moving faster than my head and I put McNeil and Williams in the seeds at 141. 

[ionel]

8 minutes ago, BruceyB said:

That was on me. My excitement got my fingers moving faster than my head and I put McNeil and Williams in the seeds at 141. 

Sausage fingers?  

[BruceyB]

Just now, ionel said:

Sausage fingers?  

Sausage brain. Wrestling overload following both tournaments today haha.

[MidwestMan]

9 hours ago, Crotalus said:

Happy to see Steed get the win. Mizzou is having an awful tournament.

About the only positive to what has been a total "train wreck" outcome for Mizzou at B12s.  My how fast this program has sunk to new lows.  Anyone that has read my rants about the current state of the Tigers, are aware that I feel Brian Smith and staff have lost "their juice" and wrestlers just seems to regress under this current tutelage.  Yes, they have had injuries, but there is more to it then that.  I have my own thoughts that I will share in a future post.  The collapse and shortcomings at Nats last year, and then this embarrassing showing at B12s is a sad indication that the "ship has sunk" and it's time for a new captain.  How's that decision to start Hawks over Whiting last year working out?  Josh Edmonds lack of adjustment and progress over his college career is an indictment on this coaching staff.  Both Edmonds and Hawks were blood round last year.

Thank you Brian Smith for resurrecting the Tiger program to a lofty enough position to be mentioned in the same breath as wrestling royalty programs.  Those legacy programs have moved on, made adjustments to coaches, facilities, etc..., if you really care about your legacy and the future of this program, step aside and open the door for a new "spark plug", like you were 28 yrs ago.  Any of us that have been "old coaches" know that day comes when it's time to hang the whistle on the nail.  Hang too long and your legacy just becomes tarnished, and the topic of "good ole days" conversation when old wrestlers and coaches get together for beers.  Been there done that!

[okokzach]

10 minutes ago, MidwestMan said:

About the only positive to what has been a total "train wreck" outcome for Mizzou at B12s.  My how fast this program has sunk to new lows.  Anyone that has read my rants about the current state of the Tigers, are aware that I feel Brian Smith and staff have lost "their juice" and wrestlers just seems to regress under this current tutelage.  Yes, they have had injuries, but there is more to it then that.  I have my own thoughts that I will share in a future post.  The collapse and shortcomings at Nats last year, and then this embarrassing showing at B12s is a sad indication that the "ship has sunk" and it's time for a new captain.  How's that decision to start Hawks over Whiting last year working out?  Josh Edmonds lack of adjustment and progress over his college career is an indictment on this coaching staff.  Both Edmonds and Hawks were blood round last year.

Thank you Brian Smith for resurrecting the Tiger program to a lofty enough position to be mentioned in the same breath as wrestling royalty programs.  Those legacy programs have moved on, made adjustments to coaches, facilities, etc..., if you really care about your legacy and the future of this program, step aside and open the door for a new "spark plug", like you were 28 yrs ago.  Any of us that have been "old coaches" know that day comes when it's time to hang the whistle on the nail.  Hang too long and your legacy just becomes tarnished, and the topic of "good ole days" conversation when old wrestlers and coaches get together for beers.  Been there done that!

You have any hope that Askren would take the job?

[1032004]

Excited for the Strickenberger/Spratley rematch.  Strickenberger made sure to stay very calm when he pinned Poulin 

[Crotalus]

About the only positive to what has been a total "train wreck" outcome for Mizzou at B12s.  My how fast this program has sunk to new lows.  Anyone that has read my rants about the current state of the Tigers, are aware that I feel Brian Smith and staff have lost "their juice" and wrestlers just seems to regress under this current tutelage.  Yes, they have had injuries, but there is more to it then that.  I have my own thoughts that I will share in a future post.  The collapse and shortcomings at Nats last year, and then this embarrassing showing at B12s is a sad indication that the "ship has sunk" and it's time for a new captain.  How's that decision to start Hawks over Whiting last year working out?  Josh Edmonds lack of adjustment and progress over his college career is an indictment on this coaching staff.  Both Edmonds and Hawks were blood round last year.
Thank you Brian Smith for resurrecting the Tiger program to a lofty enough position to be mentioned in the same breath as wrestling royalty programs.  Those legacy programs have moved on, made adjustments to coaches, facilities, etc..., if you really care about your legacy and the future of this program, step aside and open the door for a new "spark plug", like you were 28 yrs ago.  Any of us that have been "old coaches" know that day comes when it's time to hang the whistle on the nail.  Hang too long and your legacy just becomes tarnished, and the topic of "good ole days" conversation when old wrestlers and coaches get together for beers.  Been there done that!

A valid assessment. We knew this would be a down year, especially so with the injuries, but it's even worse than expected. I'd like to see what he can do with the new crop of kids in the next couple of years. If we keep seeing stagnation or regression, then he needs to hang it up. I'm just not sure who you are going to get at head coach who can do better than Smith. We're not going to pay a million dollar salary, and we don't have the NIL money behind us like the top programs.

[1032004]

Does Brody Conley of WVU at 174 have a strong case for an at large?  He did 2 injury defaults 

[MidwestMan]

49 minutes ago, Crotalus said:

2 hours ago, MidwestMan said:

About the only positive to what has been a total "train wreck" outcome for Mizzou at B12s.  My how fast this program has sunk to new lows.  Anyone that has read my rants about the current state of the Tigers, are aware that I feel Brian Smith and staff have lost "their juice" and wrestlers just seems to regress under this current tutelage.  Yes, they have had injuries, but there is more to it then that.  I have my own thoughts that I will share in a future post.  The collapse and shortcomings at Nats last year, and then this embarrassing showing at B12s is a sad indication that the "ship has sunk" and it's time for a new captain.  How's that decision to start Hawks over Whiting last year working out?  Josh Edmonds lack of adjustment and progress over his college career is an indictment on this coaching staff.  Both Edmonds and Hawks were blood round last year.
Thank you Brian Smith for resurrecting the Tiger program to a lofty enough position to be mentioned in the same breath as wrestling royalty programs.  Those legacy programs have moved on, made adjustments to coaches, facilities, etc..., if you really care about your legacy and the future of this program, step aside and open the door for a new "spark plug", like you were 28 yrs ago.  Any of us that have been "old coaches" know that day comes when it's time to hang the whistle on the nail.  Hang too long and your legacy just becomes tarnished, and the topic of "good ole days" conversation when old wrestlers and coaches get together for beers.  Been there done that!

A valid assessment. We knew this would be a down year, especially so with the injuries, but it's even worse than expected. I'd like to see what he can do with the new crop of kids in the next couple of years. If we keep seeing stagnation or regression, then he needs to hang it up. I'm just not sure who you are going to get at head coach who can do better than Smith. We're not going to pay a million dollar salary, and we don't have the NIL money behind us like the top programs.

At my house, we throw out the milk when it's spoiled, not pour it in with the new milk.  Smith has a decent group of recruits coming in, but that is no guarantee of a positive turn in this program unless something improves in the coaching/development of the athletes, and the pshyce in the room.  I really think this program needs a new direction, coach and staff. 

I can't see MU shelling out money to get a big hire like the blue blood/wrestling rich culture states.  MU is a SEC school in major sports with a wrestling "step child!"  Brian Smith has the longest tenure of any of the current MU coaches.  They would never fire him, but no guarantee, or promises about he future.  I've worried about this from the day MU joined the SEC.  I live in an "arm pit" state that might as well be north Arkansas.  Missouri is more southern cultured than Midwest these days.  The B10 was my ultimate selfish hope, but damn, those intelligent, cultured states didn't want us.  Oh well.

I can't see an Askren moving back to Columbia, Mo.  No doubt, Ben or Max would be great candidates for replacing Brian, but why would they want to?  They are financially set with their wrestling academies, own bosses, and seam happy with their current state of life.  The only reason they might do it would be for the challenge, but I don't see it.  They could take that challenge closer to home at Wisconsin.  In the back of my head I wondered if Clemson would return, but after working his ass off trying to make Maryland relevant again, I can't see it.  Personally, I don't think people know how much positive influence he had on MU wrestling.  That and the Mike Eireman connection to several of the former Tigers.  That's a whole different discussion for another day.

Sorry if I seem so negative, but I earned all my white hair and consider myself to be a pragmatist.

[BruceyB]

4 hours ago, MidwestMan said:

About the only positive to what has been a total "train wreck" outcome for Mizzou at B12s.  My how fast this program has sunk to new lows.  Anyone that has read my rants about the current state of the Tigers, are aware that I feel Brian Smith and staff have lost "their juice" and wrestlers just seems to regress under this current tutelage.  Yes, they have had injuries, but there is more to it then that.  I have my own thoughts that I will share in a future post.  The collapse and shortcomings at Nats last year, and then this embarrassing showing at B12s is a sad indication that the "ship has sunk" and it's time for a new captain.  How's that decision to start Hawks over Whiting last year working out?  Josh Edmonds lack of adjustment and progress over his college career is an indictment on this coaching staff.  Both Edmonds and Hawks were blood round last year.

Thank you Brian Smith for resurrecting the Tiger program to a lofty enough position to be mentioned in the same breath as wrestling royalty programs.  Those legacy programs have moved on, made adjustments to coaches, facilities, etc..., if you really care about your legacy and the future of this program, step aside and open the door for a new "spark plug", like you were 28 yrs ago.  Any of us that have been "old coaches" know that day comes when it's time to hang the whistle on the nail.  Hang too long and your legacy just becomes tarnished, and the topic of "good ole days" conversation when old wrestlers and coaches get together for beers.  Been there done that!

Stop with this. It's not the end of the world to have a 1 or 2 year rebuild. Mizz has great recruits coming in and will be just fine. Two years from now they'll have a great line-up and could be back to a trophy contending team.

[okokzach]

Teague Travis who had been out with injury since November and was previously at 157, just punched his ticket to Philadelphia at 149 by making it to the 3/4 match. Impressive tournament he's having 

[Crotalus]

At my house, we throw out the milk when it's spoiled, not pour it in with the new milk.  Smith has a decent group of recruits coming in, but that is no guarantee of a positive turn in this program unless something improves in the coaching/development of the athletes, and the pshyce in the room.  I really think this program needs a new direction, coach and staff. 
I can't see MU shelling out money to get a big hire like the blue blood/wrestling rich culture states.  MU is a SEC school in major sports with a wrestling "step child!"  Brian Smith has the longest tenure of any of the current MU coaches.  They would never fire him, but no guarantee, or promises about he future.  I've worried about this from the day MU joined the SEC.  I live in an "arm pit" state that might as well be north Arkansas.  Missouri is more southern cultured than Midwest these days.  The B10 was my ultimate selfish hope, but damn, those intelligent, cultured states didn't want us.  Oh well.
I can't see an Askren moving back to Columbia, Mo.  No doubt, Ben or Max would be great candidates for replacing Brian, but why would they want to?  They are financially set with their wrestling academies, own bosses, and seam happy with their current state of life.  The only reason they might do it would be for the challenge, but I don't see it.  They could take that challenge closer to home at Wisconsin.  In the back of my head I wondered if Clemson would return, but after working his ass off trying to make Maryland relevant again, I can't see it.  Personally, I don't think people know how much positive influence he had on MU wrestling.  That and the Mike Eireman connection to several of the former Tigers.  That's a whole different discussion for another day.
Sorry if I seem so negative, but I earned all my white hair and consider myself to be a pragmatist.

Yeah, spoiled milk is a bit harsh. I think it's more like a used car. Is it worth putting money in to keep it running? We've got parts that may help fix it up, and we know we can't afford a fancy new one, so there is no guarantee that the replacement we can afford will be an improvement.

(A relevant analogy for me as we replaced my wife's aging but reliable car for a used SUV that seemed a better fit for us and turned into a money pit.)

[1032004]

2 hours ago, okokzach said:

Teague Travis who had been out with injury since November and was previously at 157, just punched his ticket to Philadelphia at 149 by making it to the 3/4 match. Impressive tournament he's having 

Ballsy move by Coach Taylor there

[MPhillips]

10 hours ago, MidwestMan said:

I feel Brian Smith and staff have lost "their juice"

I hear this every year, except it's, Tom Ryan and staff.

[Gantry]

Just to be sure, are the first place matches for Big 12s going to be on ESPN+ or they going to do the ol' 3rd/5th only like Big Tens?