The Free Speech Absolutists Strike Again....AGAIN

[VakAttack]

https://newrepublic.com/post/192274/trump-threaten-schools-illegal-protests-first-amendment?fbclid=IwY2xjawI0CltleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVNqM5yfV-jvbXY2c6oj4Ypyw2xmxzgJzN_GtT-aatZ6PmPFrQLvB0O08A_aem_z_Sm8faWGD5m68UsmIXWkg

 

[Caveira]

5 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

https://newrepublic.com/post/192274/trump-threaten-schools-illegal-protests-first-amendment?fbclid=IwY2xjawI0CltleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVNqM5yfV-jvbXY2c6oj4Ypyw2xmxzgJzN_GtT-aatZ6PmPFrQLvB0O08A_aem_z_Sm8faWGD5m68UsmIXWkg

 

In yet another attack on the Constitution, President Donald Trump is threatening to pull funding from schools, colleges, and universities that allow “illegal protests.”
 

does this mean it depends on the definition of what illegal is.   If it is in fact an illegal protest is that a free speech violation?

[Bigbrog]

Is taking over buildings and/or blocking people's movement on campus "free speech"??

[mspart]

What happened at Columbia was illegal that was allowed to continue.   They closed down the university.   Why should the Federal government financially support that.  The government support is there to help the school advance students, not allow students to shut down the enterprise.   If laws are broken during the protests, that is an illegal protest.   It seems pretty clear.  

mspart

[Offthemat]

I can think of one public defender in Florida who probably isn’t going to follow Kash Patel’s lead. 

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I can think of one public defender in Florida who probably isn’t going to follow Kash Patel’s lead. 

Why would I follow Kash Patel's lead?

[Offthemat]

47 minutes ago, VakAttack said:

Why would I follow Kash Patel's lead?

I agree.  It takes a certain type of person to want to be the one who makes the big decisions, to take the lead, and the risks, and not even get paid that well. 

[VakAttack]

3 minutes ago, Offthemat said:

I agree.  It takes a certain type of person to want to be the one who makes the big decisions, to take the lead, and the risks, and not even get paid that well. 

Cool story, bro.

[WrestlingRasta]

It takes a “certain kind of person” to do a lot of things, far from all of them are about the greater good. 

[Tripnsweep]

So now Trump says any "illegal protests" on school campuses will be met with force. What exactly is an illegal protest? Basically a protest against anything he likes. So why did he pardon the J6 crowd who definitely participated in an illegal protest? 

[Caveira]

3 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

So now Trump says any "illegal protests" on school campuses will be met with force. What exactly is an illegal protest? Basically a protest against anything he likes. So why did he pardon the J6 crowd who definitely participated in an illegal protest? 

There are several hypotheticals above.  But if said protest is illegal on any level.  Should it not be met with force?  Should said illegal protest just be allowed to continue? 

[mspart]

The Columbia protest was illegal.   They illegally squatted in a building for days, they illegally camped on the quad, they illegally harassed jewish students, they illegally ignored the universities admittedly very weak pleas for restraint. 

USC and UCLA and other campuses were also involved in similar illegal activities.    If they keep it to a legal protest, then there is no problem.   They have all the free speech that they want, but do the protest legally. 

mspart

[Offthemat]

1 hour ago, mspart said:

The Columbia protest was illegal.   They illegally squatted in a building for days, they illegally camped on the quad, they illegally harassed jewish students, they illegally ignored the universities admittedly very weak pleas for restraint. 

USC and UCLA and other campuses were also involved in similar illegal activities.    If they keep it to a legal protest, then there is no problem.   They have all the free speech that they want, but do the protest legally. 

mspart

That’s right.  And the OP is a lawyer, a profession that dwells on the meaning of words.  Brings this discombobulation to blur the difference between calling for action against illegal, sometimes deadly protests, and calling to make protests illegal.  Pathetic.

[WrestlingRasta]

[Bigbrog]

51 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

Thanks for once again providing nothing to the conversation

[WrestlingRasta]

I apologize I can’t meet the standards of the great contributor….BIGBROG!!

[Bigbrog]

5 minutes ago, WrestlingRasta said:

I apologize I can’t meet the standards of the great contributor….BIGBROG!!

[WrestlingRasta]

You are not following the purpose of the Kleenex.  
 

Do better. 

[Bigbrog]

Oh I think the purpose was met

[Tripnsweep]

This guy is allowed to freely "protest" on the campus of my alma mater. Maybe this should be considered an illegal protest and he can get arrested and deported.

[jross]

21 hours ago, VakAttack said:

https://newrepublic.com/post/192274/trump-threaten-schools-illegal-protests-first-amendment?fbclid=IwY2xjawI0CltleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHVNqM5yfV-jvbXY2c6oj4Ypyw2xmxzgJzN_GtT-aatZ6PmPFrQLvB0O08A_aem_z_Sm8faWGD5m68UsmIXWkg

The article is propaganda and opinion. The author’s too dense to grasp the word "illegal." This is another WIN for common sense... a wake-up call to campuses tolerating chaos, not a rights violation. Schools aren’t above the law; federal funds come with conditions. Existing protest laws should be enforced.

[jross]

45 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

This guy is allowed to freely "protest" on the campus of my alma mater. Maybe this should be considered an illegal protest and he can get arrested and deported.

Offensive protests are legal.  But it can be illegal depending...

 

[Tripnsweep]

Just now, jross said:

Offensive protests are legal.  But it can be illegal depending...

 

So who determines the legality? It sounds like Trump doesn't like it, it's illegal, but protests or actions on his part, like J6, are ok. 

[Offthemat]

27 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

So who determines the legality? It sounds like Trump doesn't like it, it's illegal, but protests or actions on his part, like J6, are ok. 

SMH

[jross]

22 minutes ago, Tripnsweep said:

So who determines the legality? It sounds like Trump doesn't like it, it's illegal, but protests or actions on his part, like J6, are ok. 

The J6 Save America rally and peaceful protest was legal.  The Capitol breach and violence was illegal.  

 

The pardons were not about legality.  The pardons were a statement about inconsistent legal treatment.

 

Pre-pardon, J6 dismissals were under 1%. Compare that to Portland where ~60% of federal cases were dismissed.